Arum on Pac vs Marquez III

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by zchen, Aug 3, 2010.


  1. darryl1914

    darryl1914 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    But Williams and Bradley are not on vacation and are available in November and also...neither are requesting additional drug testing. But I noticed you conviently chose take a swipe at Floyd instead of Acknowledging the obvious "Team Pacquiao" (Arum) duck of Berto, Williams, Alexander and Bradley who have all called Pacquiao out and would love a fight. And they would have NO problem with Pacquiao getting the "Bigger Purse"...Yet "Team Pacquiao" choses an EASY-2-HIT, NON-DEFNSIVE figher with NO REAL SKILL AND SPEED. :-(
     
  2. bazza12

    bazza12 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Firstly the first 2 fights between the pair were not both Marquez victories hands down. They were so close it pretty much comes down to matter of opinion, but neither were robberies, if anything Pacquiao has a right to be aggrieved because one judge's mess up leaves him 1-0-1 not 2-0 against Marquez, and were it not for that these kind of threads would be a lot rarer.

    Secondly, for once i kind of agree with Arum. When Mayweather fought Marquez i was annoyed, so why should the reaction change because its Pacquiao? Because there first 2 fights were close right? Wrong, because although they were close, anyone who cannot see the improvement in Pacquiao's balance, co-ordination and right hand since those 2 fights is blind, whilst Marquez was recently marked up by Juan Diaz in a fight that was not as difficult as Marquez' face at the end made it seem. JMM was beaten very very easily in his only performance above 135 and Pacquiao campaigns at 147 now. The fight is not as viable and some of you make it out to be.

    Thirdly, why are so many of you bleating about how "Pacquiao gave Morales a 3rd fight, he's giving Margarito a title shot" etc. Marquez does not have a divine right to a 2nd rematch with Pacquiao. What has he done since? He became the ring lightweight champion. A fantastic achievement, but he looked faded against Diaz and was not a contest for Mayweather at 147. Pacquiao has become ring light welterweight champion, and easily beaten 2 of the toughest welterweights going. Whilst doing this he has not declined, some would say he has in fact improved fight upon fight. Pacquaio has already been a part of 2 great wars with Marquez, he played his part, and walked away the winner. Marquez played his part, and walked away with a loss. It's a shame, but this happens in boxing, it would have been great if one had beat the other handily, but that didn't happen so it's time to move on. Both went on to arguably define their careers after their fights with each other, the difference is one still has plenty to achieve, while the other has peaked.

    Pacquiao does not owe Marquez a favour, boxing is dog eat dog in the highest sense, if you can't handle the fact that Marquez may have to retire without a win over his rival, get therapy, because even if he does get another rematch, he isn't going to beat Pacquiao at 140 or above.
     
  3. darryl1914

    darryl1914 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Bump of the Year...WITHOUT A DOUBT!!!!
     
  4. Toontoon

    Toontoon Boxing Junkie banned

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    It's funny that Mayweather gets a lot of grief still over what some see as a controversial decision over Castillo even though he gave him an immediate rematch, yet Pacquiao picks up a controversial decision over Marquez, declines any rematch to prove that he can beat him fairly and nobody says anything about it.
     
  5. b.o.b

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  6. fytelod

    fytelod Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    PAC mauled Cotto only ONCE while JMM defeated PAC TWICE yet JMM is begging for a 3rd fight. Shame on JMM who's still looking for a fight with the boxer he already defeated TWICE.:D
     
  7. AnthonyW

    AnthonyW ESB Official Gif Poster Full Member

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    Many believe Marquez won the 2nd fight at least...so does Marquez, but does he have the W on his record?...no. Thats why he is calling for a third fight.
     
  8. fytelod

    fytelod Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I thought the general consensus here at ESB is JMM already beat PAC TWICE. So which is which really?:D

    Even if it's a draw and 1 win for JMM, the series is already taken by JMM (1.5 to 0.5). What's the purpose for the 3rd fight? For JMM to get a draw and 2 wins over PAC or to give PAC a chance to even the series? JMM >>> PAC.
     
  9. El Intocable

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    If only fraud were as gutsy as JMM is we would already have one of the biggest fights ever signed unfortunately thats not the case.
     
  10. AnthonyW

    AnthonyW ESB Official Gif Poster Full Member

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    Well ignoring the general consensus...Marquez believes he won, but once again he doesn't have that W on his record. If you believe you have beaten someone...but the other other guy gets the decision (Pacquiao), would you want to fight them again to prove you can beat them?
     
  11. ]V[ooSeKnUcKLeS

    ]V[ooSeKnUcKLeS YAHHHHH Full Member

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    Pac has a draw and an SD over Marquez and only has a one point advantage over Marquez. If that doesn't scream trilogy, then you're blind. Like I said - you much rather watch Pac fight against an unlicensed, confirmed cheat or rematch against someone whom he already wiped the floor with (Cotto).
     
  12. Chris85

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    Its just that if pac lose the haters have something to celebrate about. If pac win marquez is old, shot, bloated etc etc.

    I can see why they want this fight :lol:
     
  13. Emeritus

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    I would much rather watch Pac fight Marquez than Margo and definately perefered him to Clottey. Styles make fights and Marquez has a great style for Pac and I think it would be a great fight with alot of action. Marquez would leave it on the line and I think he could pull an upset! Plus it's not like the first two fights were clear in any way.

    Make it happen!
     
  14. whoupicking?

    whoupicking? Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You seem scared for pac?:rofl
     
  15. AnthonyW

    AnthonyW ESB Official Gif Poster Full Member

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    :deal:deal:deal