Assuming Pac loses to DLH

hopkins beat the guy they crowned the next great american fighter with ease a guy who ring had put in the top 5 p4p im pretty sure they had him top 5 top 10 at least and lost a close SD to JC

but if not hopkins vic or margo

 

Margarito gets my vote, coming back from a loss to pummel Kermit to put himself back into the spotlight and then taking back his rank as best welterweight by stopping Cotto.

 

I think the Z Gorres fight should be a close but clear win for Darchinyan. Actually, I have much respect for Cintron, so don't assume I am "discrediting" Margo's win over him.

And sry, but I didn't get the "Whether this is AS impressive as Vic's 3rd round TKO win PRE-Mijares is up to your interpretation really" part. Care to explain?

 

The last fight Vic had was a 3rd round TKO win over a fighter whose name I forgot and don't care to look up (It was long and tedious).

My answer was depending on whether you find that win better than Margo's win over Cintron is really up to your belief on each fighter.

If you think Vic's is better than he should be FOTY. If you don't then Margo should be.

Honestly unless Pac gets KO'd, I think he gets it.

 

Ah, that's why you got me wondering what you meant. His last fight pre-Mijares was a 5th round KO of Dimitri Kirilov, not a 3rd round TKO! And actually Vic was the first man to knock out Kirilov, who at the time was the IBF Superflyweight champion. One could argue that this win is slightly better than Margo's over Cintron, because Margo had already proven in the past that he had Kermit's number.

PS: Why do you think Pacquiao should be FOTY, even if he loses by decision? Should someone be FOTY having lost a fight? Legit question.

 

The way I see it is the following: Pac already has a win over the #3 P4P (IMO) fighter in JMM. Close fight? Surely...but a win is a win. He has a KO destruction job over David Diaz who beat Santa Cruz who beat Casamayor who beat Corrales who beat Castillo which means he's better than all those guys (not really but go along). So you've got a win over a proven P4P fighter and a KO job. That's 2-0.

Now he's moving up in weight 12 pounds passed where he should be to take on a legit ATG in Oscar De La Hoya. It's a fight he should lose by all inclinations. A fight where smart money is on ODLH KOing him. If he loses a close decision then it's as good as a win for Pac...since noone thinks he's got a shot and a close decision lose to Oscar De La Hoya would show some serious ability from Pac.

In other words,a KO loss is the only thing that can knock Pac down a peg at this point.

 

I hear ya... But you failed to comment on the Darchinyan part of my previous post though. :hey

I'll come back with an answer for Pacquiao after you do.

 

What question? If you think Kirilov is better than Cintron (which is fine) then that's how you feel about it. As of right now I don't agree. If I watch both fights again I might be swayed.

If that's not the question than what is?

 

I was just pointing out that Vic's win over Kirilov should be considered at least as good as Margo's win over Cintron, because Kirilov was not a "fighter with a long name" as you said, but the IBF champion. That's all. :good

As for Pac, there are quite a few people that actually give Pac a chance to even win this, based on his speed and superior stamina. In addition, some argue that DLH could appear weight-drained, as he hasn't made 147 in a long time, and that would cause him problems. Personally, I believe these are valid arguments and in no way should people write Pac off in this fight. But of course, we should wait and see in what condition will DLH appear in this one, before we judge Pac's shot at FOTY, no matter the result.

 

Cintron had a title as well...Possibly the IBF as well IIRC (That IS the one Clottey has now right?).

Pac's stamina hasn't been tested at 147 where there's no telling how his body will respond to weight gain. DLH will be drained without question and Pac will have the speed..but that's about it.

Oscar has the advantage in everything else really.

 

That's correct sir, Cintron was also the IBF titlist at the time, and Clottey is the IBF champion right now (btw, how about a Clottey vs Cintron fight? I'd like to see that!).

My question regarding the Pac vs DLH fight is this: If Pacquiao uses his speed in order to not get caught with anything big, and apply the hit-and-run strategy, which would result to a points win, would that be such a major upset, given the fact that Oscar is nowhere near the fighter he once was in terms of speed, defense, stamina and even power?

 

Absolutely.

Probably not as big an upset as if Pac were to defeat FMJ but still a very big upset.

 

Well, I don't wanna play with words, but for me it would just be an upset. Not a HUGE upset, simply because DLH is NOT in any way the fighter he once was. :good