Avoidable Losses - Which Fighter Had The Most?

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  1. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    I wish a tape or film existed of this fight, as Angott's style and strategy against Pep has always fascinated me. Sammy "The Clutch" Angott's style may be the bain of the modern fight fan, as they seem to mortally HATE guys who clinch, or clutch, like Ernie Terrell, and most particularly John Ruiz, but there is a method in the madness of clutching, and it constitutes, like it or not, one of the skills and techniques of defensive boxing, particularly when the guy using it persevere's over the more logical candidate to win, the guy with the advantage of having all the natural blessings. That's one of the more intriguing aspects of boxing in my opinion, and it makes boxing the fascinating sport that it is.
     
  2. ChrisPontius

    ChrisPontius March 8th, 1971 Full Member

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    I'm surprised Holyfield's name hasn't been mentioned yet.

    I thought he could've won all of the Bowe fights if he boxed instead of slugged in the 1st and didn't do too much weight training/steroid abuse in the 3rd. He also looked terrible in the Moorer loss, contrary to the rematch. Ah well, inconsistent fighters.. he was getting old.
     
  3. Stonehands89

    Stonehands89 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    That's interesting. I don't think that he literally outdid himself in the rematch. I'd expect Holyfield to always have been outdone by Bowe -who's skill matched his, who was stronger, longer, and with comparable speed and a comparable defense.

    Each one of their matches was a bit odd though. Holyfield got mad in the first one and made it a brawl -which was stupid. In the second you had the fan man and the resulting break; and in the third, Holyfield suddenly turned to lead and couldn't finish Bowe after landing a beautiful left hook.

    Bowe was in fighting shape in the first one only.
     
  4. Minotauro

    Minotauro Boxing Addict Full Member

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    If Bonecrusher had fought more aggressively he would have beaten Marvis Frazier. The same might be said about Charles in his final fight with Walcott although he probably fought more passively because of the third fight.
     
  5. ChrisPontius

    ChrisPontius March 8th, 1971 Full Member

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    I agree, which is why i consider this to be the best heavyweight trilogy on film. Ali vs Frazier was great, but the second fight was a bit of a stinker... Holyfield vs Bowe were all three great fights.
     
  6. gregor

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    Well, one of the robberies ended in a draw, so it doesn't really count. I'm not sure what do you mean by blowing two title fights (Golota-Bowe were not titlefights). The only title fight he clearly gave away was the one vs Grant (as it was technically for NABF title).
     
  7. Boom_Boom

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    Emmanuel Agustus
     
  8. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    Can't really avoid being DQ'ed for no reason in the other guys backyard.
     
  9. Musashi

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    Golota.
     
  10. MrSmall

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    ****ing James Toney.
    He beat Ruiz only to get ****ed for steroids.
    He drew with Rahman, could have gone either way for the WBC title.
    He had a split decision vs Peter, a round extra could have made all the difference.

    Fat fool, he's great but his heavyweight run is textbook "what if".
     
  11. TBooze

    TBooze Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Peter Buckley probably has 50 plus defeats/draws that should of been wins with fair refereeing and an even playing field.

    Maxie Rosenbloom carried many an opponent to create a more attractive rematch during the depression era.
     
  12. Vantage_West

    Vantage_West ヒップホップ·プロデューサー Full Member

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    well santana was a real ***** in every sense of the word and i rarely use it.

    in the first fight a right hand to the back fo the head by norris makes santana drop then santana stays down of course still pretending to be shot so the ref had no other choice but to get terry disqualified.


    in the rematch again terry is totally outboxing him out punching him and just doign everything right. then at the end of the round he smacks santana i think a second after the bell rung and of course santana does
    the gta impressiosn and stay on the floor...with the comissioner over him sayign "get up....get up"

    so they kinda had to disqualified him again.

    it was boxing poloticks that caused it really. terry was there to fight santana was tryign to find a way of disengage form the fight
     
  13. Vantage_West

    Vantage_West ヒップホップ·プロデューサー Full Member

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    but somthign was wrong with pryor why on earth was he crossing himself he was totally ready but he looked like he had been koed while being concious. has anyone got it i only saw it once on youtube after somone took it off:think
     
  14. bxrfan

    bxrfan Sizzle Full Member

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    He was on drugs.
     
  15. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    Pryror was on drugs a good part of his career, sadly.