Barney Ross is a top ten all-time great

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  1. horst

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    Last time I did a top 10, I think I had him 10th as well. Which proves his greatness as I am highly anti-semitic.
     
  2. Manassa

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    Well you can only be as good as your rule set will allow. Fighters back in the early 1900s were still used to small or no gloves and therefore slipping and ducking to the extent modern boxers do wasn't an option. Neither was combination punching or high work rates. It all meant broken bones or tiring late in the fight.

    Nevertheless, I do think, even relatively, the sport turned more professional and sophisticated and that fighters did improve. Even if the 1901 rules remained the same, the fighters of the '40s would be, on average, a bit better because there'd be more of them training like actual athletes.

    Still, I like to rate 'for the era.' Galileo was great, despite his theories being known to be mostly inaccurate today. Fitzsimmons was great because he was a pioneer of the gloved era, and in his own time, was considered to be pound-for-pound the best, save perhaps Joe Gans.

    Of course, I'd pick Ezzard Charles to slash him up.
     
  3. Manassa

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    Interesting. They all make my top hundred. Infact, at least a couple of them make the top seventy.

    I mean, you won't catch me rating Carlos Palomino or Jose Luis Ramirez over these four.
     
  4. Manassa

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    Too high for me. If I were to rate Gavilan at 15, I'd have to rate Jose Napoles at about #11, and Ike Williams at #14 or #16.
     
  5. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    im very impressed with Ross obviously his resume and achievements

    but on film he really is great isnt he?

    very adaptable boxer-puncher kind of mould but more boxer. Had all the skills but was tough and gritty and determined with it. Had great straight punches and movement aswell.
     
  6. Flea Man

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    As per era???

    Damn, Manassa, you've unlocked the solution to my problems on ranking. How did I not think of that before :good

    I have Gavilan at about 30, behind Napoles (29) and Williams (25)

    That's based on recollections of the last list I attempted about three or four months ago. I might be ready to put my 'brackets' to the test and see which fighters would eek out others to make certain spots.

    Painful stuff, wish me luck :lol:
     
  7. Minotauro

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    Where about do you rate The Barbados Demon Joe Walcott?
     
  8. frankenfrank

    frankenfrank Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    clearly not a top10 p4p.
    did anyone notice he is somewhat like reggie johnson in the sense that his losses and wins (i mean the relevant ones) were close decisions and he was never stopped.
    well , reggie johnsons opposition is more impressing :
    Roy Jones
    James Toney
    Antonio Tarver
    Steve Collins
    Jorge Fernando Castro X2
    John David Jackson
    Julio Cesar Gonzalez
    Lamar Parks
    Sanderline Williams
    Ralph Ward


    Borderline :
    Ismael Negron
    Adam George

    the other reason is simply because :
    Sam Langford
    Manny Pacquiao
    David Tua
    James Toney
    Mike Tyson
    Rocky Marciano
    Dwight Braxton
    Roberto Duran
    Ray Leonard


    are 10 fighters and then come :
    Young Peter Jackson (Baltimore Demon)
    Mysterious Billy Smith
    Jersey Joe Walcott
    Ezzard Charles
    Evander Holyfield
    Ray Robinson
    Joe Louis
    Muhammad Ali
    Marvin Hagler
    Harry Greb


    Oscar Delahoya
    Kotsya Tszyu
    Julio Cesar Chavez
    Hector Camacho
    Roy Jones
    Joe Frazier
    Mike McCallum
    Oneil Bell
    Jack Dempsey
    Gene Tunney


    Carlos Monzon
    Rodrigo Valdez
    Charley Burley
    Henry Armstrong


    Chad Dawson
    Orlin Norris
    Julian Jackson
    Marlon Starling
    Jose Luis Lopez
    Aaron Davis
    Reggie Johnson
    Jorge Fernando Castro
    Steve Collins
    Archie Moore

    Max Schmelling
    Steve Hamas
    William Lawrence Stribling
    Ike Quartery
    Oliver McCall
    Tommy Loughran
    Vinny Pazienza
    Fritzie Zivic

    more than 4/5 of those i mentiones deserve to be ranked higher than
    Barney Ross , so how can he be top10 ?
    not even top20 p4p.
    and i even forgot some or even many.


    one should think remind consider and remember before he declares a ranking for someone.
     
  9. Manassa

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    Fancy helping me do a top 100?
     
  10. Manassa

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    #22 :good
     
  11. teeto

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    We getting the top 100 soon Manassa? Can't wait.
     
  12. Manassa

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    Might take another week or so - it's hard to do a deliberate list, especially after #30. I've seen some lists before and they just look randomised. I'm making sure to include every great fighter.
     
  13. essexboy

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    Does anyone else think its time to track down and destroy Frankenfrank? Also how do you guys rate Lou Ambers?
     
  14. Sweet Pea

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    1. Yes.

    2. Not sure where, but he's extremely underrated. One of the best resumes of any fighter, period.
     
  15. teeto

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    I'd rather you take your time cos it seems you'll really unleash a beauty when you get to the finished product.