Barrera vs Zarate who was greater?

Yup, Davila was excellent at his peak.He also had an extremely long window of being very good for a Bantam.He kept his timing and skills right until near the very end.

 

Fantastic and tidy operator.

 

Paul Ferreri would beat Naseem Hamed (if he was a bantam) :good

 

Zarate is better

 

Barrera would have beaten Zarate (if he was a Feather)

 

Really? You think so? Given how he fared against an all-around inferior stand-up boxer-puncher in Morales? I think at a similar size Zarate would've been too much for Barrera to handle.

 

Morales was a different assignment. More mobile and faster than Zarate, seemed to have a greater punch output. Not a great comparison, and I had Marco winning all three of their fights, the first and third fairly comfortably.

I think Barrera provides to many angles for Zarate, who seems to get an incredibly high ranking based on...well....not all that much.

 

I agree completly there. He does get his quality of reign overlooked because of the few weak spots in it. Those 4 names you mention at the top are better than any Bantam fighting today IMO perhaps Hasegawa.

Awesome operater, I actually can't beleive how tidy and precise he was.

Martinez tried to find angles on Zarate and did fairly well but Zarate was fluid enough to 'match him' at the angles i.e he was not just a static gun turret, he was fairly mobile and loose.

You are being incredibly harsh on Zarate in saying his resume had nothing because if thats nothing, ****ing hell!

 

Let's get this out there right now so there is no confusion. Zarate never fought any Bantamweight who was as good as Marco Antonio Barrera.

I discussed this briefly with Jesse Reid Jr, son of legendary trainer and he's the man responsible for ZeffieTowers and WaynBedFre, which is to say he has more footage than he knows what to do with. I asked him how he thought Canizales would have done against Zarate, and my own thoughts were that Orlando provided too many angles, that Zarate was most effective when he had a stationary target infront of him. His response was brief but I thought on point.

Canizales had to good of angles! Zarate could punch, But was straight up and down! Orlando by decision.

Barrera didn't have the lateral movement of Orlando but when it came to throwing combination's, he was every bit as dynamic.

 

You're misunderstanding something big time here..."hapless" meaning that they were in the same era as Zarate...that they were not in his class...they were all good fighters but they had the misfortune of having Zarate as the the champion of their division then.

 

But these guys weren't all little Bantamweight versions of Barrera and Morales...because that's what it sounds like some people are insinuating.

 

Jesse Reid Jr., who's father trained Canizales. I am not doubting Mr Reid but I do think there is some bias there. It is not as if you are asking a neatrul expert is it?

Barrera never beat anyone as good as Zarate.

I think Zarate beats Canizales, as Canizales could be tagged and Zarate was accurate precise and hit very very hard and would come off best in the exchanges. Canizales would have some sucess with movement early but Zarate tends to adjust to his opponent as the fight goes on.

The same with Barrera IMO.

Who 'insinuated' that?

People are just saying he has some very very good names on resume that you completely dismissed. Just because they bring them to your attention does not mean they are syaing they are ATG by any means.

I'd say, barring Morales, Zamora & Davila are as good if not better than anyone Barrera beat.

Also we are speaking about ATG here they come along very rarely. MAB and Morales were lucky they came along together, Zarate did not have a fellow ATG at Bantamweight to fight until Pintor, who is probably the best Bantam he faced. I just preposterous you expect Zarate to have ATG names on his record when they were not around at Bantam.

 

How many fights have you seen of Barrera. It was 5 last time we spoke...

 

It is still the same. I really do not see how that matters though. I have seen his biggest bouts and can form my own opinion on that.

How much have you seen on Zarate for instance?

And to be honest, most fighters I feel I'm comfortable in knowledge about I have only seen 5 fights the likes of eras that I am not too interested in but I watch the stand-outs of it.

Also I see you have dodged the questions and points I have raised. Now you really are completly dismissing Zarates resume.

 

Yup, completely dismissing his resume. :tired