Basilio vs Napoles @WW over 15

Then again, Basilio was a bleeder himself. It's possible Mantequilla's slicing combos could open it up first in the earlier parts of the fight.

 

i can see it going that way too. Good anaylisis

but i can also see Napoles winning closely in the same sort of situation but with his boxing shinining through.

This fight would be very debatable

good point Basilio also swelled up really bad aswell

 

Dont think Basilio ever was stop on cuts.

The only fights were Carman was cut bad, was Robinson II, Davy II, and perhaps Pender.

 

My sentiments exactly, well said.

 

Other than the second Robinson fight where Carmen had that hideous eye injury I don't recall any really serious cuts that could have caused a stoppage. He had some cuts around the eye in the 2nd Fullmer fight. He bled pretty good from a cut over his eye in the 1st Robinson fight. I think he would have held up OK with Napoles and would have had a good shot at winning.

 

just in intrest whee do you guys rate Basilio and Napoles

 

Gavilan about no. 35-40 (ish) on my alltime list.....basilio about 36-41(ish) :good

 

what about Napoles

 

Interesting that you feel Basilio can win, as i agree. Not just because of the cuts issue though. I always think that if a stronger opponent can put in decent attempts to have Napoles against the ropes, then depending on the skillset, a win is achievable. Basilio fits my bill, i always thought that Basilio was alot sharper than Jake LaMotta, though likely not as crafty.

I don't want to actually go out and say Basilio wins over 15, something ios holding me back, but i think you get my flow

 

****! I'm on the wrong thread lol

Napoles about the same. I would say all three of those guys would be ranked between 30-40.....maybe Gavilan creeps into the top 30.

Ouch, it's a hard one to call, a thread is needed!

 

yeh it is a tough fight to analyse

I think Basilio defencivly is better than Jake watch his fight with Gavilan defensivly he is pretty good

has good head movement and blocks shots very well

i owuld have Napoles top 25-35 and Gavilan and Basilio close in the 30s

 

Basilio's some were in my top 20.

 

the more i think of it the more deserving he is of it

 

Yeah i've seen that fight, he was a great fighter, good movement of the head, a little like Frazier, though i think his advantages over LaMotta largely lie in his offense personally

 

LaMotta isn't to be underestimated defensively either. His legendary durability often overshadows his defensive skills, as people figure you can't build your reputation on taking shots if you're a good defensive fighter. Most of the footage of LaMotta is either past prime or against great fighters, such as Robinson, which is why a lot of hid defensive skills are missed. He actually had very good parrying skills and head movement of his own, which allowed him to be an effective jabber and counter-puncher.