Bernard Hopkins and James Toney

He does, read dark trade.

I agree that Toney beats Hopkins. They're both cagey tricksters but Toney's tricksier and Hopkins is cagier. Toney beat better fighters than Hopkins did. Hopkins at least in his later career when he became more recognised has been more of a spoiler. Toney's a more gifted fighter imo although Hop is more fundamentally solid. One interesting point is that Hopkins is a dirty fighter whereas Toney almost never fouls, I think he would consider dirty fighting to be an affront to his skills.

 

I think an in shape Toney UD's Jermain Tayler with no problem though