Bernard Hopkins was a beast in his prime

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  1. saul_ir34

    saul_ir34 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Well no ****. That is why i still say he is the greatest fighter of my generation.

    Hopkins an O G
     
  2. HEADBANGER

    HEADBANGER TEAM ELITE GENERAL Full Member

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    1st of all lets dispell the myth about the supposed greatness of hopkins resume, take away the smoke and the mirrors and this is what your left with from hopkins 6 best wins, with 4 of them being from when he made his opponent fight way above what their best weight was.





    trinidad
    prime weight = welterweight (147)
    fought hopkins at middleweight (159)
    trinidads record at middleweight or above from hopkins onwards = 2 wins / 3 defeats

    winky wright
    prime weight - light middleweight (154)
    fought hopkins at - 170 lbs
    in 57 fights, the hopkins fight was the only fight that wright had weighed over 160 lbs (a full 10lbs difference)

    de la hoya
    prime weight - welterweight (140lbs)
    fought hopkins at - middleweight (160lbs)
    de la hoya only fought twice in his career at middleweight out of 45 fights -1 win / 1 loss - the win was a very debatable decision over eurobum felix sturm

    pavlik
    prime weight - middleweight (160 lbs)
    fought hopkins at - 170 lbs
    in 34 fights pavlik had only fought 2 minnions at the beginning of his career at 169. all pavliks fights since hopkins have been at the 160 limit.

    tarver
    prime weight 175
    great 2 weight jump from hopkins and his best win despite tarver being a b-level fighter and going 3 wins / 3 losses from hopkins onwards.

    johnson
    prime weight -super mid / light heavy (162 to 175)
    fought hopkins at - middleweight (160)
    johnsons record at 160 + from hopkins onwards - 19 wins / 14 defeats / 2 draws
    the defeats have come against people of the level of ottke, woods, shieka, gonzales, harmon, branco, vanderpool, Kiwanuka, sosa




    when people look back at bernard hopkins they will always remember the 8 times he got into the ring and wasn't good enough to be victorious.
     
  3. BigBone

    BigBone Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You better check those Hopkins-DLH weights again.
     
  4. bailey

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    What makes me laugh is how Hopkins has a mystical status for beating so many smaller fighters.

    Trinidad a former WW who had been put down 7 times that I know of
    De La Hoya a former SFW
    Brown a former WW champ
    Wright having to come up 2 weight divisions
    Pavlik having to come up 2 weight divisions

    Or how so many so so wins have been blown out of proportion. I think Hopkins scored some good wins, no doubt. Like K Holmes or H Eastman, but lets not go overboard

    Hopkins debuted as a
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  5. The Mongoose

    The Mongoose I honor my bets banned

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    **** his so called prime, who gives a **** about beating up Glen Johnson.

    Hopkins best performances were schooling Trindad, Tarver, and Pavlik.
     
  6. AJ5

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    Debuted as a cruiserweight? Seriously? He was 177 and the only fight he even fought above the 168 limit. I know that anything above 175 is technically cruiserweight but come on...your obviously trying to be deceptive here by filling people's heads with the idea that he was around 200 pounds opposed to just simply a couple pounds over the 175 limit. Calzaghe also had some early fights past 168 so I guess he was really a natural LHW who spent his career picking on SMW's?

    And your examples of him losing to quick fighters his own size all happened post 40 when he had slowed down and past his prime (I know you disagree here but most people would beg to differ) with the exception of Jones who he fought when he was green...and it was friggin Roy Jones.
     
  7. HEADBANGER

    HEADBANGER TEAM ELITE GENERAL Full Member

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    this is how dumb these brainwashed, narrow minded clowns are, they've spent they're entire lifes being delusionally brainwashed by the bull**** they read in ring comic and the HBO sports comedy channell.


    hopkins debuted as a cruiserweight and 20 out of hopkins first 21 fights were fought at supermiddleweight or above.

    look how these delusional brain-washed fools try and make a deal out of his wins over trinidad and de la hoya

    - trinidad was a light welterweight who peaked at 147 and had already been knocked down 7 times at that weight as well as losing to de la hoya (robbery). wow, trinidad beat joppy (clouded by suspected loaded gloves) at 160 - who the **** has joppy beat, what are joppys 5 best victories? we saw how great a middleweight trinidad was when he got his head boxed off by winky wright. the hopkins victory versus trinidad is thee most overated win in boxing history.

    - de la hoya was a super-featherweight for ****s sake :nut

    - what business did winky wright have at fighting at light heavyweight? :nut

    - the most sickennin thing in all this is that after hopkins had beat oscar and trinidad, he then called out shane mosely, who won his first world title as a ****ing lightweight :nut


    seriously who has hopkins beat at a fair weight - tarver and pascal - are these really the finest victorys of an elite fighters career? :patsch

    everytime hopkins has come up against an elite fighter at a fair weight, he lost - jones, taylor twice, and calzaghe. hopkins doesn't have a single victory over an elite fighter at a fair weight in his entire career :deal
     
  8. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    :lol: No I never saw that comical pile of sh#t, though it has provided a bit of amusement :yep

     
  9. superman1692

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    wow, just read that article. Pretty moving stuff :good
     
  10. Flo_Raiden

    Flo_Raiden Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    between 35 and 38.
     
  12. dubace

    dubace Well-Known Member Full Member

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    an 8 year prime period? maybe physical prime and even then it's a stretch. i think more like i think 98-02 is more appropriate as far as mental and physical combination
     
  13. Flo_Raiden

    Flo_Raiden Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Time for BHop to call it a day. He's had a legendary career that can't be matched and is already an ATG. Much respect to the Old Master.:bbb
     
  14. Sugar 88

    Sugar 88 Woke Moralist-In-Chief

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    It's difficult to know when his prime was as physically it should have been at middleweight but I found him to be his most impressive post his reign at 160.