I know what you mean, And I'm not one of the morons slinging around the double standards lol. Both Gamboa and Berto have their strengths that they use very well to execute their game plans. Both Have weaknesses as well. Berto is a fighter that will wait till you open up, he sees the opening and stings the **** out of you..You get stunned and then the world gets to see a Beautiful combination with crazy speed. Gamboa is a fighter that will be sitting there bluffing the hell out of you with his hands down, no respect to what you got to bring, You open up falling for the bluff and then he moves and throws quick flurries. Berto's offense(power) is his defense Gamboa's legs and bluff (hands down) is his defense Offensively they're very different Berto waits till you make a mistake to punch hard Gamboa waits till you aren't paying attention sleeping/tired and then shoots very quick flurries. In the end both offensive styles somewhat just cause panic to their opponents because honestly both fighters have absurd hand speed, 1 fighter just uses that hand speed differently than the other because of distinct styles. In the end Berto and Gamboa are great for boxing :good Anyone that thinks otherwise needs to watch a different sport! :deal
I agree. I like Gamboa a lot but its not fair to put him in with a guy that has that much more pro experience. Level of competition is everything and theres a reason why it takes years for a good amateur to grow into a top level professional.
I'm not going to start calling people out. They know who they are. majority are good posters as well, who for some reason of late are hyping and exaggerating more, and thinking objectively less and less.
Berto didn't fight an opponent on the same level. If you simply watch Rodriguez and Jiminez fight side by side and compare the two, there is one fighter who clearly stands out as the much more solid fighter. But that's not very important anyways.. The main point is, the disparity in skill level is actually big. And the disparity in natural ability is even bigger. How can everyone not see this? Compare Gamboa's poise, accuracy/timing, footwork, movement, reflexes, overall defense, unpredictability, chin, and intelligence to Berto's. The difference in class/potential is huge. It has nothing to do with "group think".. watch the fighters and analyze them yourself. Compare individual attributes between them and compare their overall effectiveness in the ring. You should be able to see some huge differences if you just watch.
If the difference was that apparent between Berto and Gamboa, then Gamboa would be annhilating guys like Jiminez. It definitely wouldn't be going the distance, and there definitely wouldn't be competitive rounds. The main difference that i see between Gamboa and Berto is that one is much more unorthadox. Gamboa would seem to have slightly more potential yes, i said that earlier. But he hasn't beaten anyone remotely good enough to be considered this great.
We are analyzing styles, and attributes here. If you want to talk about ring experience, Gamboa has apparently over 400 amatuer fights as well. Happy now?
Don't get offended. Styles and attributes to a certain extent are influenced by experience and amateur is just differnt from pros is all I meant.
I agree, but it seemed like you were just trying to be a smart arse. Gamboa has a lot of experience in the ring. He certainly isn't your average fighter with 10 fights, and as such i don't evaluate him as one. If you choose to that is your prerogative.
Don't apologize, its all good, i agree with your post. My temper on these boards today has gradually been worn thin, thats all.
There weren't any competitive rounds in Gamboa vs Jiminez. There was a round where Jiminez scored a knockdown, that's it. Jiminez just happened to have a better chin than anyone expected and had an effective defensive guard, that's the only reason he didn't get knocked out. He was close to getting stopped and if it was a 12 rounder, he would most likely get stopped. But just because he didn't doesn't mean Gamboa isn't on a whole different level compared to Berto. That's what we're talking about here. How can you say "slightly more potential"? Gamboa clearly has way, way more potential than Berto. It's not close at all. I'm not talking about how great Gamboa is here, I'm just talking about how much better he is than Berto. Gamboa hasn't beaten anyone yet. But his skills/abilities speak for themselves. Berto's do too, but Gamboa is much superior in every single way other than speed/power. And if you want to compare opponents.. imagine someone like Rodriguez, who has no defense fighting Gamboa, he would certainly get annihilated. Anyways, like you said before.. there's no point of arguing about this. IMO, it's just silly to think that Gamboa only has slightly more potential than an extremely flawed prospect like Berto.
Two years later, and both sides are wrong. Berto has fought much much better competition and hasn't looked as bad as Gamboa does with his numerous lapses in concentration in every fight.