Best 5 Boxers Since 1960 ?

Which win does Napoles have that you feel is equal to Griffith's win over Dick Tiger?

Fought ten different champions at two different weights. The mental fortitude he shows in coming back at the highest level after defeats, over and over again, is pretty astonishing.

At welter, I rate Napoles higher, overall, I think Griffith should be higher.

 

Why is Jones' wins past peak a greater offence against legacy than Monzon's early losses? He was never stopped, but i've always wondered why green fighters are excused whereas old fighters are punished more severly for losing at the highest level.

I've often thought it is because those fights are more visible. Few people saw Monzon lose and even fewer cared.

I may be overating Jones win at HW a bit, but it's still hard to make a case for a one weight-warrior over a guy who has beaten good fighters between 155 and 200 plus.

Monzon belongs in the top teir, but I don't think a very serious case can be made for him above Jones, frankly.


Jones was fighting at the MW limit around the time he beat Toney. I think that guy would outspeed Monzon at 160lbs.

 

No. But Ali had absolutley extraordinary competition and is the clear choice for #1 all time in his division. There are always exceptions to the rule, my point is I can't make one for Monzon. Monzon is a tier below Muhammad, i'm satisfied of that, and there is plenty of room for Jones to clearly ahead, though close to, Monzon.

 

That's exactly where I have him, he dropped from 20 to 22 the last time I rejigged my list.

 

Monzon is my #2 at Middle and cases can be made for other fighters - you can make a case for Hagler and for Robinson, my choice, for example. Where Ali is concerned my personal stance is that he's the #1, and that people who have Louis at #1 have made a mistake. Not "see things differently". Made a mistake. I won't say that someone who has Monzon at #1 has made a mistake, but nor will I say this about Hagler.

Undoubtedly a great, great champion though.