Yeah, I also go out on a limb and believe the world didn't start the day I was born. The audacity of me!
Me and Pea are pretty much in the same boat though. We weren't following the sport during Hector's halcyon days like you were. So in one sense we can't know what you know. But I have seen Hector's fights with Ramirez, Rosario, Haugen, Boza, Mancini, Pazienza, Baltazar, Limon, Davis Jr and Solis together with many fights in his declining years (Chavez, Tito, DLH, Leonard, Duran etc.), and I have seen quite a bit of his opponents too, so I have a fairly accurate picture of the trajectory of the game at the time and where Hector and his opponents stood on the world stage. I'd be happy to hear any feedback from you regarding my description in the post above, but I think it's rather accurate. I know you have seen his fights with Coverson and Loy, and perhaps Hector looked great there, but both Coverson and Loy hadn't been tested with anything but cans at the time they faced Hector so I don't see much reason in placing a lot of store on their records at the time Hector whipped them. Unless you wish to claim that they were excellent fighters when Hector dismantled them, and only declined subsequently. I couldn't argue against you if you held that belief, not having seen them.
Whittaker and Leonard are the two best I have seen since the early 80s and that includes Camacho (who I do really rate at 130-135). I'd give an arm to see Camacho vs. Whittaker both at their primes at 135...
Amen to that brother. My top three boxers are Camacho, Jones Jr who fit the mold of a true Sugar Ray, and El Terrible Terry Norris.
...........Cut the bull****. That quote was written in KO magazine in 1981 in reference to Arguello in the article they wrote following his KO of Mancini and you know it. :roll:
I remember that as well. Goddamn Redroostwer is such a lying fool. Not only is he a bullshitter, but a delusional one as well.
Ill go for Whitaker ,he is a throw back to Pep and Driscoll ,maybe not exiciting but technically very sound a defensive master,"defence allways wins in the end if its good enough" Jack Johnson.
Nice post SS, quite well balanced. I know you're a fan, and his potential was big, but at the end of the day his best wins are mostly quite ordinary when looked at closely. I agree his best performance ever was vs Ramirez, but Whitaker also did much of the same. Whitakers not bad tho
:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl Talk about being caught out in the henhouse That's just plain embarrassing Rooster lmao
Yeah Pea had his moments. Red seems to rate fighters more on potential or how good he thinks they were at their peak more than looking at what they accomplished, and when doing so, it isn't totally insane to say that Camacho was one of the best pure boxers in the last 40 odd years. Now if accomplishments come into the picture, it isn't even arguable, Camacho is no where near the pinnacle of pure boxers in the last 40 years.