not bad considering there will 5 HOFers he trained from scratch Freddie Roach *Amir Khan Light Welterweight Andy Ruiz Heavyweight Bernabe Concepcion Featherweight Bernard Dunne Super Bantamweight *Bernard Hopkins Light Heavyweight Bobby Pacquiao Lightweight Brian Minto Cruiserweight Brian Viloria Flyweight Craig McEwan Middleweight Daniel Jacobs Middleweight David Rodela Super Featherweight †Dimitri Kirilov Super Flyweight Diosdado Gabi Bantamweight Efrain Esquivias, Jr. Super Bantamweight †Frankie Liles Super Middleweight Gary Stretch Super Welterweight Guillermo Rigondeaux Super Bantamweight †Gerry Peñalosa Bantamweight †Israel Vasquez Super Bantamweight †James Toney Heavyweight Jamie Kavanagh Super Lightweight †Johnny Bredahl Bantamweight †Jorge Linares Lightweight José Benavidez Light Welterweight Juan Lazcano Lightweight *Julio César Chávez, Jr. Middleweight Kahren Harutyunyan Bantamweight Kingsley Ikeke Super Middleweight Lateef Kayode Cruiserweight † Lucia Rijker(w) Light Welterweight *Manny Pacquiao Welterweight †Marlon Starling Welterweight Only for his 2nd fight with Holyfield. Michael Domingo Bantamweight Michael Moorer Light Heavyweight Mickey Rourke Light Heavyweight †Mike Tyson Heavyweight †Oscar De La Hoya Welterweight Only for his fight with Mayweather (2007). †O'Neil Bell Cruiserweight Peter Manfredo Jr. Middleweight Peter Quillin Middleweight Rey Bautista Featherweight Raymundo Beltrán Lightweight †Roman Karmazin Light Heavyweight †Steve Collins Super Middleweight Vanes Martirosyan Super Welterweight †Virgil Hill Light Heavyweight †Wayne McCullough Light Welterweight *Wladimir Klitschko Heavyweight (former assistant trainer) Wale Omotoso Welterweight Willie Jorrin Super Bantamweight Z Gorres Super Flyweight
Aye, you are right there relentless mate, its hard to judge the worth of a trainer, we just should appreciate how good each is with their own type of fighter:rasta
Robert Garcia has a hell of a stable mikey garcia Rios Donaire Margo in the past had.. guzman viloria vargas vic ortiz and others i can't remember right now.
I have to laugh in between rounds of a Donaire fight, the sound corner advice of Garcia seems to be a complete contrast to the excellent boxing brain of the Filipino.:yep Robert picks up on things the opponent is doing and tells Nonito how to take advantage of them, and a lot of the time - certainly recently - Donaire seems to just disregard it and do his own things, which to be fair to him does work a treat, which is probably why he's the 3rd best fighter in the world(IMO, in terms of talent/ability that is, not achievements/longevity, although I'd still have him 4th in a pound for pound list). It was really evident in the Montiel fight earlier this year. Montiel's obviously one of the best we've seen in recent years at setting traps, and you could see him trying to do as such, carrying his left very low trying to entice Donaire into throwing a right hand that he could counter. In the corner after the first Garcia tells him that, to be minimalist in his use of the right hand and stick to mostly left hand-orientated work until KO-Chul tried to switch it up again. Does Donaire implement this advice? Nope. Comes out knowing he can afford to throw, and land, his right and get out before Fernando even begins to exploit it and then did something that shocked me for one, trapped the expert trapsmith. He carried his left hand low and forced Montiel to ditch his patient attempts at countering for an aggressive machination based around the right hand, which played into Donaire's hands as he comes over with that phenomenal KOTY left hook that literally dents Montiel's face. It worked well against Narvaez too, though probably not as well as it otherwise would have if he had heeded Garcia's pleas. Let's not forget that Narvaez was right in the fight after 6/7 rounds, he did take (for most people)three of them after all, so making an adaptation where you sweep the remaining rounds is pretty impressive, even it it is in uninspiring fashion. Garcia was telling him to step around the side and go to the body, because, as great a defensive wizard Narvaez is, Donaire was quick enough to be able to step to the side and find the ribs before Omar could lower his guard/step out of range in time, and to transition between head and body mid-combination. Instead he completely neglected the body, but maintained a greater range that essentially shut Narvaez's offense down completely and didn't allow him to get anything off. He might not have landed much, but he restricted Omar to landing NOTHING, and hence pitched a shut-out over the second half. Technically he couldn't have been much more successfull, he did win every round after switching it up after all, but you can't help but think he could've worn down and perhaps even stopped Narvaez down the stretch had he obeyed his trainer's commands. Not really all that relevant to this thread I know, it was just something I'd noticed that I believed to be interesting and had nowhere else to post it. I suppose it shows that Garcia knows his stuff, I could've said how it's really worked extremely well for Rios lately, as every time he implements the instructions given he has had good fortune, but it's intriguing that his premier fighter does his own thing when he gets in there despite Garcia's guidance appearing ''according to Hoyle'' as they say.
My favourite trainers are Joe Mensah long time of Smoking Joe Ajose Olusegun the Gun, Jose the Buffalo Martin, Miguel Diaz, Angelo Dundee, Curtis Cokes, George Benton and Uncle Roger Mayweather the Black Mamba himself.
Im not sure i agree on your interpretation for the Narvaez fight. it seemed to me Donaire was there to fight,he even commentated that he was bored with omars style. Although why he wasnt stepping to the side i cant work out either. but i do agree with you,that in the montiel fight,that was very clever stuff he came out with there!
I think Roach is more versatile than the rest, but he tends to pick up fighters rather than starting from scratch. Beristain works with kids in their early years, and let's be honest his methods have been successful and are pleasing on the eye too. It's not so much as one trainer being better than another at the top level, it's adapting their fighters to be able to implement particular elements of a gameplan that the trainer devises. Someone like Naazim Richardson is an excellent tactician, but in recent big fights he's been left looking pretty average, seeing Mosley looking like a befuddled mess x2 and being unable to best Sergio Mora. If you get a lad at a young enough age you can make him fight in pretty much the style that you want, ala Beristain, Ingle etc, otherwise it's a case of adapting them and ironing out their flaws - Roach, Steward etc.
Oh no, I didn't mean it like that, I think you've misinterpreted my point. I wasn't insinuating that Donaire became negative in any capacity, I meant that he didn't continue to close Narvaez down as he was, he stood at a distance and let his punches fly regularly, as a result nullifying Omar's offense because he failed to get anything going. He still tried to get his man out of there though, just that the method he used perhaps wasn't the best way to go about it.