Beterbiev vs Marciano

Marciano has too much heart and too tough

 

Because he is facing guys that help him, with their hands up and placing themselves against the ropes, and he still needs to drop them 2 or 3 times in order to finish the fight and generally they are very awake when the ref stops it.
People rightly criticize the likes of Walcott, Charles, Moore (just think about that in comparison) but make no mistake about it, if they did what this last british guy did, Marciano would ko all of them in 2 or 3 rounds.
I will rate Beterbiev when he faces guys that are movers, can slip a punch or two, and are actual hard to hit. People did exactly this with Kovalev few years back.... he is basically forgotten today, nobody would make a thread Kovalev vs Marciano today.

 

That's a fair enough stance to take. I will just say though that Beterbiev doesn't ever seem to really sell out on shots; he's usually much more content to break a guy down till the ref stops it. Slight difference in mentality with how he goes about getting a stoppage.

 

Maybe he is wired to fight that way because he is always facing a certain type of guy, mostly european opponents, that are not that hard to hit.... he will need a one punch shot if he is facing a mover that is not there when he throws the third punch in the sequence... because he is not outboxing no one it seems.
I gotta watch this guy Bivol more, but maybe he could bring him trouble ?

He needs to work on his timing, otherwise there is already a blueprint to beat him, his timing which IMO, he doesn´t have all that much, and was, IMO, the best attribute Rocky could have when he put his focus into it.

 

,,,or Spinks, Foster, Bivins, Conn, John Henry Lewis etc.etc.

 

Beterbiev within 7 rounds.

 

In which era are we having this bout?
Mr Marciano would be disqualified in present day era, with his disregard of the Marquess of Queensberry rulebook

 

Rocky was bigger, stronger, a harder two handed proven puncher based on opposition, took shots from much bigger hitters, proved exceptional 15 round stamina , pretty decent comparable speed ... I don't see Beterbiev having any edge ..

 

is this a joke? You know those punches Callum Smith landed on Beterbiev? If that was Marciano.. well.. "Suzy Q, baby I love you. Suzy Q."

 

You think Beterbiev's timing is poor? I'd say that's one of his best aspects. He rarely falls short with a punch and almost always knows when to pour it on. Both his timing and his sense of distance are world class. As for not outboxing opponents where exactly are you seeing that? He might not be whitewashing guys from the outset, but he's constantly working to break them down. He's not someone like Wilder who gets outboxed round after round then lands a hail Mary to KO his opponent. When a stoppage comes it's always been several rounds coming.

"Maybe he is wired to fight that way because he is always facing a certain type of guy, mostly european opponents, that are not that hard to hit...."

Hmm. Remember that Beterbiev fought a ton of HWs in the amateurs including Usyk, who's by no means easy to hit. Beterbiev knocked him down with a bodyshot. He fights the way he does because he doesn't need to throw himself into shots to get an effect. If you can KO opponents with cuffing short punches why expose yourself any more than you have to? That style is actually more suited to beating hard to hitting opponents since you're constantly landing lower level shots which have a cumulative effect, whereas a guy who's looking for one big punch can find he never lands it, or overextends himself trying to land it and ends up getting countered.

"I gotta watch this guy Bivol more, but maybe he could bring him trouble ?"

Yeah check out Bivol. He's probably the only LHW around at the moment that could potentially beat Beterviev. Very good textbook fighter with an excellent and educated jab. His taking apart of Canelo is a joy to watch.

 

Why do people keep saying Marciano was bigger than Artur? Artur is 5'11" with a 73" reach, Rocky was 5'10" with a 67" in reach.

Rocky fought at 185 lbs and Artur cuts down to 175 for the weigh-in and likely rehydrates to 190 lbs on fight night as most modern boxers do.

 

With all due respect, man, I don´t value the amateurs too much, it is basically irrelevant due to the fact that most olympic champions don´t due as well in the pros, and this is just a hard stat. So.... not sure if it is all that relevant what he did in there.

Like I said, from what I´ve seen, Beterbiev opponents helped him so far, they stay there in front of him with their hands covering their face against the ropes, and of course he then punches these guys until he gets 1, 2 and finally the third knockdown.

I am not calling his opponents trash, no, but I want to see him against another type of guy, someone that can move here and there and have some head movements, you know...
I will stop now, because I am sounding like a hater but that is not what it is.

 

You should lay off the booze.

 

Beterbiev looks strong...Marciano would out muscle him and what is worse no matter how strong Beterbiev is Rocky doesn't tire from grappling, infighting and hard punching. One thing above all else with the Rock is indomitable will...he refused to lose and that is something Beterbiev has not faced yet. Smith was tough but he came up in weight Rocky trimmed down to the weight

 

Marciano too slow and too sloppy.

Beter KO8. Rocky shows heart. Lil feller.