Better resume SRL or Pac?

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Better Resume

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  1. surfinghb1

    surfinghb1 Member Full Member

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    You make good points. But Ray also lost to Duran and in Hearns 2. Norris as well. I look at his layoff, going in and out or retirement, as more of a knock(negative) than a positive … Manny was active which is important to me, has double the fights and continued to be successful. You're right tho, Ray better scalps
     
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  2. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist Full Member

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    Leonard would’ve been summarily slaughtered if he tried to stick around like Pac.

    Wait...he did stick around getting his ass handed to him at an age when Pac was still on pfp lists.
     
  3. Loudon

    Loudon VIP Member Full Member

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    Career and resumes are different arguments.

    Ray was already past his best after Marvin.

    He should never have fought Hearns in the rematch.

    Manny deserves huge credit for his longevity and number of fights, but Ray had a detached retina.

    Yes, Ray lost to Duran. But that was one of the world's greatest ever fighters who was at his absolute peak. And it was a very close fight.

    Manny was unbelievable. But he too lost in his prime, and to fighters of lesser quality.
     
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  4. Loudon

    Loudon VIP Member Full Member

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    And?

    We're not discussing who had the best career.

    We're discussing who has the best resume.

    Manny does not have wins that top Ray's.

    Yes, he has many more wins.

    He won many more titles.

    He has great longevity.

    What he doesn't have though, is wins over guys like peak versions of Thomas Hearns and Wilfrid Benitez.
     
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  5. PH1882

    PH1882 Member Full Member

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    Great question.
     
  6. KasimirKid

    KasimirKid Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Leonard came up at a time when fighters still fought for world championships rather than for alphabetic belts. I think Ray actually held some world titles, no? Maybe you can educate me on how many of Pacquiao's victories were scored in fights for an undisputed unified world title versus those fights by Leonard? I have to say truthfully that I am not smart enough to be able to figure this out for myself, but I think the answer may have some relevance with regard to the merit of your comparison.
     
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  7. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist Full Member

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    What would you call Leonard’s win over Lalonde then?

    Pac at different times was the ruler at 115, 122, 126, 130, 140 and 147. I don’t count his titles at 135 and 154, but he doesn’t need those. He also put in work at 118 but for whatever reason didn’t get any of the main belts there.

    Leonard was a legit champion at 147 and 154. He was also the real champion at 160 but due to disputed conditions and never rematched Hagler or did anything with that belt. The 168 belt was won against Duran and not defended, so it’s not easy to take that one seriously either.
     
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  8. surfinghb1

    surfinghb1 Member Full Member

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    Pac fought everybody and unified Fly as well at the age of 18 or 19 I think ….
     
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  9. JC40

    JC40 Boxing fan since 1972 banned Full Member

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    Pretty easy for mine despite my dislike of SRL.

    The versions of Duran, Hearns, Hagler ( Marvin was past his best but still the undisputed worlds middleweight champion ) and Benitez that Leonard fought them are all greater fighters than anyone PAC faced.


    Mayweather is an all time great but his fight with Manny was similar to Leonard vs Duran 3 and Leonard vs Hearns 2. Big names but well past their best.

    Barrera, Morales, JMM and Cotto are all very good fighters but not on the level of Leonard’s best opponents.

    I didn’t get that excited about Manny’s win over Thurman as I don’t rate Keith and he had also been inactive before he faced Manny. In fact Keith had only fought once in a two and a half year period before fighting Pac Man. Keith had had two fights in three years.

    Cheers All.
     
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  10. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist Full Member

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    No, it was similar to Chavez v. Whitaker. Pfp 1 v. Pfp 2. Except May and Pac are going down more favorably on ATG lists than either of them.
     
  11. JC40

    JC40 Boxing fan since 1972 banned Full Member

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    Hi mate, Chavez vs Whitaker was years too late as well as far as matching them in their prime goes but not as late as Floyd vs Manny. Do you realise that Manny and Floyd’s faced each other a full 20 years after both men turned pro ?

    Whitaker had been a pro for 9 years and Chavez 13 years when they fought. Neither man had been brutality kayoef unlike PAC vs Marquez.

    As far as the all time lists go, all four are legendary fighters. I do think that if Manny had so much trouble with Marquez than he would have been in deep water against Chavez in a prime for prime battle at say 130 or 135.

    Floyd vs Pea is a pick em fight for mine. I wonder how Floyd would’ve handled Whitaker’s superb right jab and high punch output ( compared to Floyd ). A prime Chavez vs Floyd is also really interesting. Chavez was definitely a superior fighter to Castillo who gave Floyd a fair bit of trouble.

    Cheers Mate.
     
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  12. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist Full Member

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    That 20 year thing is irrelevant because Pea and Chavez didn't have the same longevity as May and Pac. It's the closest comparison though because both were pfp 1 and 2. Chavez was slipping already and Pea had about one good year left until he started fading too. Pac's accomplishments post Floyd are fairly analogous to Whitaker's post Chavez.
     
  13. DirtyDan

    DirtyDan Worst Poster of 2015 Full Member

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    It's Leonard and it isn't even close. The comments I'm reading on this thread are hilarious. We're talking about resume here, how on god's green earth is Pac's resume better than Leonards? That's absurd.
     
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  14. quintonjacksonfan

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    When Leonard fought Benetiz, Hearns (1st time) Duran (2nd time) Kalule and Hagler they had a combined record of 240-3-3
     
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  15. NoNeck

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    When Pac fought Morales, Ledwaba, Hatton, Thurman and Bradley....