Better win: Fury-Klitschko or Joshua-Klitschko

Completely fair - and yes, we don't need to agree, it's all part of the discussion and with a bit of luck prompts other interesting opinions... After all, why else would we be on messageboards?

 

Furys win was better

 

Boxing is specific sport.
Its all about timing.

Its not Football or tenis where same game can happend 20-30 times.

You got often this one time in life. Fury beat "better" Klitschko but in paper. He was undefeated for long time, he even dont lost much rounds.
He got almost all belts and more.

But in reality Wład Klitschko getting old, got massive private problems (he must take care of his child because women he choose to became mother of his first child want only do drugs and drink) + his trainer and mentor die.
He lost focus, become lazy because all he did in past just work.
Also he prepare all camp on ring with soft floor and Fury make him change it in last moment.

Joshua fight with older Wlad and that's true. He fight with Klitschko without bellts. That's also true.
But same time he fight with man who was wake up after shame defeat. Determination and anger was on totally different level. I always wrote in past that all anger prepare for Fury catch other guy.
And You see this excatly in both fight. With prepereation, talk, fight night and other.

Klitschko really was obsessed to became champion again.

But still. Fury win little better in historic way. But I personal choose Joshua win as better one.
Joshua done job for Fury because he was not able to confirm his performance in reematch.

And Anthony want give Wlad second fight anytime. Fury after comeback never mention Klitschko name as opponent.

Only Peter Fury once told they can fight with Wlad again. That's sign for me.

 

Fury win was better. He ended Wlads reign and fought the younger version. AJs lack of head movement made the latest fight more exciting.

 

What's the point of reading beyond a lie like that?

 

Depends on what you value

Fury won and took away wlads weapons in a negative performance

Joshua won by tko but also lost rounds and hit the canvas

 

Just a very long-winded way to say that you’re sitting on the fence.

Forget that it’s Fury or Joshua; believing that a win over an active p4p champion, is better than a win against an older inactive unranked version of him coming off a long period of inactivity, isn’t “extreme”. Nor do you need to have an “agenda” to believe that.

 

Easily done, couldn't care less about either of them.

It wouldn't be, no... But it's not the full story either, is it?

If you're looking at the full picture and conclude that one is better than the other, you don't need to have an agenda.

If you choose to limit what you look at in order to draw a favoured conclusion then that does imply an agenda.

Long-winded is probably fair... At the same time, it's generally better to be long-winded and more thorough than it is to cherrypick and come to preordained conclusions (that not being intended to apply to any individual in particular).

 

You come here day after day after day pouring hate on Fury. That's not couldn't care less. That's care a lot. An awful lot.

 

I don't really get the reasoning that because Wlad looked better against AJ he was more dangerous/motivated/better. Maybe Fury was just a better fighter than AJ and that's why Wlad looked like crap?

 

In a way, yes. It's also like turning the OPs poll into this type of a poll/ survey.
Fury's win vs. Wlad K was better than AJ's vs. Wlad K.
1 - Disagree, 2 - Neither agree nor disagree, 3 - Agree.

In the above format I'd respond 3. And now you know how I voted above

For BF24 it's a fair poll. I've seen some polls here that are well beyond statistically nitpicking bad, i.e. plain awful.

Snip rest of good responses.

 

Fury’s W was a disgrace to boxing. He mastered the art of don’t hit and don’t get hit. He won rounds by single digit punches and mostly showboating . It was a much closer fight than his delusional fanboys choose to believe. Wlad won 5 rounds and of the 7 Fury won I gave them to Fury as he was landing 1 or 2 scruffy weak ass jabs more than Wlad ..now these are straight up facts, I doubt anyone would want to refute this by having to watch that terrible “fight “ again

 

Depends on your criteria for success really.

Fury beat the better version of Wlad as he was younger and not coming off a loss and it was more one sided and convincing a decision.

But then Joshua's win while against an older Wlad was perhaps against a more motivated Wlad as he was coming off a loss and the manner of that win while far more competitive was also what allowed Joshua to launch himself into the stratosphere and become the huge draw and cash cow of the division he still is today. Fury after his win over Wlad became embroiled in controversy, suspension and enforced inactivity while Joshua used his to launch a career that saw him as the stand out heavyweight for a short period of time which garnered him wealth and fame on a level Fury will never attain.

So which one is better is subjective. Personally If I was a boxer I'd rather have Joshua's win over Wlad that fight will be more fondly remembered and watched more than Fury's win over Wlad and the financial reward from that fight in the long term were simply far superior.

 

I know that at this point most of us have had enough of Fury, but I have no idea how anybody can try to argue that AJ had the better win. It may have been more exciting, but he was very close to getting knocked out himself.

Fury went into the lions den and ended a decade long reign. All whilst never looking in trouble.....this is a no brainer.

 

I am one of Fury’s biggest supporters on this forum but to me I think the Wladimir Klitschko from the Joshua fight was more dangerous. I think that version was mentally in a very good place. And still physically very capable.

I think that when Klitschko did fight Fury he was burned up from a long title reign, had personal issues, and he didn’t have Emanual Stewart in his corner anymore. I think those things chipped away at Klitschko.

The sentiment that Fury didn’t want to make it a fight I don’t agree with though. Especially later in the fight Fury tried to charge in. But Klitschko chose to clinch when he maybe should not have.

Against Joshua, to me, Klitscko saved his career. Too often he was safety first. So against Joshua even though he lost, he won a lot.