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No bud, beating JMM and Diaz wouldn't elevate Pacquiao into the top 10. If he cleaned out 130 then beat Diaz? Then we can have that dicussion.

Armstrong was aggressive and attacking, but he applied pressure from the inside, moved his head alot, and often went to the body. Brawlers are often wild and could care less where he fights from as long as he hits you. Pacquiao WAS a brawler. He isn't anymore. He is starting to box and move a bit. He also has more than just a 1-2 now.

 

No bud, beating JMM and Diaz wouldn't elevate Pacquiao into the top 10. If he cleaned out 130 then beat Diaz? Then we can have that dicussion.

Armstrong was aggressive and attacking, but he applied pressure from the inside, moved his head alot, and often went to the body. Brawlers are often wild and could care less where he fights from as long as he hits you.[/quote]

But PAC doesnt have to beat PBF or Hatton to be high ATG. He can accomplish this by other means is what my point is.

Ok with boxing style.. We have boxers, brawlers, boxer/puncher..what other categories??? Ohh yeah thousands

If Armstrong wasnt a brawler..How come he was involved in so many Brawls???

vs. Lou Ambers..legendary brawls
vs. Ceferino

 

Because pressure fighters are often involved in brawls. They force you to fight outside your comfort zone and style. That often turns into a brawl. Juan Diaz is not a brawler. He is using a very skilled approach to his pressure fighting.

You are almost breaking fighters down into archetypes. That's fine for you, but I think they are too broad. When I think of a brawler, I think of Mayorga or Gatti early on.

Who said that Pacquiao can't be a high level ATG? I never said he couldn't. I said that it's a slim chance that he moves up and beats PBF. And saying "Well Armstrong did this or that" isn't proof that Pacquiao can do it because Armstrong is an exception to the rule, not the rule itself.

 

Ambers was not a brawler...tell me how did armstrong beat him? did Armstrong brawled with him or did he box?

I have a great amount of respect for Hank...but he would have been shut out by Sweat Pea because its just Peas style.. now pea is closer to PBF in style very close... In that sense Hank is not much an exception to the rule since Id favor PBF over him h2h

BTW to answer the Ambers question...Hank punched him in his ***** all night...yeah hes not a brawler

 

I never called Ambers a brawler. I just said that pressure fighters force you to fight outside your style which often results in brawls.

You are now getting into applications of styles. That's a different argument.

 

How so?? Isnt this what we do always...Styles makes fights?? Why would I put someone unreachable when they'd also have the same problems with a certain fighter as do PAC.

Basically all I'm saying is PAC dont need PBF for him to get to ATG elite status...PAC can fight opponents that plays into his style and still get there

I admit that PAC is still far from this but its not far fetched...ohh we already agree on that :deal

 

We aren't talking about an actual fight Chimba. That was why I said you are getting into a different argument.

We aren't talking about how Pacquiao can get to Elite ATG status without facing PBF either.

This WHOLE discussion is based on PacDbest saying that Pacquiao can move up and beat PBF for the 147 title because Armstrong fought the MW champion to a draw being a former FW.

 

Ohh in that case its apples and oranges then hank could be considered a natural welter..whilst PAC is a natural SFW

 

Then we agree to disagree. Fraziers head movement was predictable, much moreso than the subtle head movements of Duran and Armstrong.

 

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And he will just do the same to PBF, right? I mean he is only a better figher than EM and Barrera, in his prime, fighting two weight divisions north of them, and with a terrible stylistic matchup for Pac.

The simplistic terms in which you view Pac are just too much to even argue with anymore.

 

Pacdbest low IQ????:rofl :rofl :rofl Now you play dirty.:bbb What's your greatest Prediction in ESB???? I have one. Do you have one????

 

KG want to Change the Dictionary of Boxing for his own sake. He can't admit he is wrong. He'll be a Good Criminal Lawyer in the future. But he is no Einstein.

 

You just nailed KG on the Cross!!!:happy :happy :happy

 

Maybe Pac can do the same to PBF. Let them fight so we will know what will happen. Aren't you gonna watch this fight if they actually made it??? All of us will watch & really want to know what will happen.

Pac has nothing to lose against PBF. Even if he lose, He'll make a lot of money by fighting just one fight. They can do a rematch or trilogy if the Fight become competitive. For PBF it still good for his resume to include Pac in it. The money to be made??? He can't say no to $$$$.

 

Are you saying pressure fighters are brawlers PacD? Are you equating Armstrong to Mayorga?