Box Rec fighter rankings WTF...

Discussion in 'British Boxing Forum' started by BrummyLad, Nov 17, 2010.

  1. Big Dunk

    Big Dunk Rob Palmer Full Member

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    the rankings are horrific and they have actually been fixed. If you wear a t shirt that says "i am boxrec no.1" like Bute and Huck.

    if you want goo british rankings go here

    http://www.theboxingsite.com/rankings/
     
  2. Curious Orange

    Curious Orange Active Member Full Member

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    How dissapointing. I thought I was going to get the British Forum's opinions on Sonic Youth's Eight album then.

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZYYSajs_qg[/ame]

    It's definitly in my top five of theirs.

    I like the idea of a maths based system like Boxrec. I enjoy it operating concomitant to an opinion based one such as the ESB ratings. That creates good debating points without which we'd have a bit less to talk about.
     
  3. Big Dunk

    Big Dunk Rob Palmer Full Member

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    ESB ratings don't exist anymore.
     
  4. Grant1

    Grant1 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Is that a new site?

    nice.
     
  5. dondada

    dondada Active Member Full Member

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    Exactly. Either you have a system based on subjectivity or you have a maths based one. BoxRec's is the latter. Bound to throw up anomalies but at least it has nothing to do with silly, know nothing pricks stamping their feet.

    http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/BoxRec_Ratings_Description

    Explanation above.

    Tell you what, why not have a look at the all-time P4P rankings and see what you think.
     
  6. Curious Orange

    Curious Orange Active Member Full Member

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    Oh really. I've only just looked at your link again, I presumed it was for the ESB ratings first time.

    Why have they stopped? Too much stick? Shame, I always found them interesting, whether or not I agreed with them.
     
  7. dondada

    dondada Active Member Full Member

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    Plainly wrong, as well as libellous.

    It's the other way round. They get to number one, then get the T shirt. Jesus.
     
  8. Big Dunk

    Big Dunk Rob Palmer Full Member

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    I will wait for my letter. I agree with you have a systems based on subjectivity or you have a maths based one but the formulas boxrec use are clearly off and need to be amended. but in typical boxrec fashion they are to stubborn to change.

    these are major iregularities in your top 10's not just the rest of the rankings that show the system to be flawed.

    Marco Huck no.1 at cruiserweight
    Danny Green no.3 at Cruiserweight?
    Hopkins no.1 at light heavy?
    Dirrell no.2 at Super Moddle (Froch is 7 behind Pavlik)
    Williams no.1 Middleweight
    Manny Pacquiao no.1 at Light middle
    Kell Brook no.5 at welterweight
    Joan Guzman & Nate Campbell no.6 and no.7 at light welter
    Roberto Guererro no.2 at lightweight
    John murray no.6 at lightweight
    Mzonke Fan no.1 super featherweight

    Vic Darchinyan no.2 super bantamweight
     
  9. dondada

    dondada Active Member Full Member

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    Have a look at the link explaining the system and then feel free to suggest improvements to the formulae used. Do you think this has just been cobbled together? Clever people have spent a long time refining and refining...it's a developing process. You will ALWAYS get anomalies with any system - a maths based one, although bonkers at times, removes the subjectivity at least.
     
  10. Grant1

    Grant1 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    If you look at a fighter record and subtract the losses from the wins and rank them in descending order it removes the subjectivity too.

    Still bolloxs though.
     
  11. Grant1

    Grant1 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    As an aside, the most subjective issue in boxing is the P4P rankings.

    The fact you try to 'remove subjectivity' makes it quite laughable.

    This aint ground breaking stuff by any means, but in my opinion the Boxrec ranking are a bag of wank.
     
  12. dondada

    dondada Active Member Full Member

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    Quite. But the mathematical formulae employed by BoxRec is ever so slightly more refined than this.
     
  13. dondada

    dondada Active Member Full Member

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    Well, that's fine. The P4P thing is just for discussion - the whole point about P4P is that's it's supposed to be subjective, of course.
     
  14. roe

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    Presumably you have a better system to rank the tens of thousands of professional boxers in the world then? No they're not perfect but they're far from terrible.
     
  15. Grant1

    Grant1 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I gathered.

    Time for a review though I think.

    Mathematical forumulas will not work for something that is not an exact science.