Boxers with the same name in the same division

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  1. Xplosive

    Xplosive Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Rodolfo Gonzalez is the first that came to mind. The one from the 70s was an excellent champion. The one from the 80s was nothing special.
     
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  2. George Crowcroft

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    Jack Dempsey and Nonpareil.
     
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  3. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    We all know Henry Cooper, but there was a Brooklyn heavyweight from the '40s who fought under the same name. He fought guys like Elmer Ray, Tami Mauriello and Billy Conn.

    Also, again, we all remember Armando Muniz, but there was another welterweight by that name in the '50s who fought guys like Gaspar Ortega, Tombstone Smith and Art Aragon. Funny enough, he was also from Chihuahua. Wonder now if they were related.
     
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  4. sweetsci

    sweetsci Well-Known Member Full Member

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    scartissue, you beat me to Henry Cooper by two minutes!

    How about heavyweight "Iowa" Mike Tyson, who fought in the late 80's?

    Years ago someone did a thread (I'm not sure which forum) where they found fighters with the same names as famous fighters and did a thread on who these less famous "twins" lost to. For example, "You do know that Wimpy Halstead knocked out Mike Tyson in five rounds back in 1987, right?" It got people all riled up until someone figured it out.
     
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  5. Saintpat

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    Guy should have gone with “Iowan” Mike Tyson, sounds like how “Iron” Mike might say it with his lisp haha.

    We had Big George Foreman, two-time heavyweight champ. His son George “Monk” Foreman, who went 16-0 I think fighting cans in the 2000s, also a heavyweight. And of course the late Freeda George Foreman, Big George’s daughter, who had a handful of middleweight fights in the early 2000s.

    Freeda, sadly, took her own life sometime later.
     
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  6. Wass1985

    Wass1985 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'm 99% sure there was also another Henry Cooper.

    Edit-100% sure, he fought Joey Maxim.
     
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  7. BeerGut

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    John Doherty and Pat Doherty met for the British Super-Featherweight title in the 80's. Both were born Patrick Doherty but one fought as John.
     
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  8. DavidBarnes

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    Hagler beat some guy called Roy Jones
     
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  9. sweetsci

    sweetsci Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Wasn't there some speculation that this was Roy Jones Jr.'s father? I don't remember what the verdict was. I'm sure it's a very common name.

    Occasionally I'll get people who don't know any better riled up by talking about how I saw Sugar Ray Leonard beat Floyd Mayweather on television.
     
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  10. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Nonpareil was born John Edward Kelly.
     
  11. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    When you mentioned 'Iowa' I just thought of another, and these guys were fighting at the same time. Remember way back Memphis Al Jones and Florida Al Jones. Florida had the better record but Memphis could pop and was always dangerous even though he had a poor record. I recall him blowing out Boone Kirkman just when Kirkman was on the threshold after beating Jimmy Ellis. I remember he also decked Jerry Quarry twice before getting stopped.
     
  12. Saintpat

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    I’ve seen that reported as fact but never seen Roy Sr or RJJ (or Hagler for that matter) acknowledge it.

    It seems odd and the little evidence we have I’d say makes it unlikely that the Roy Jones who lost to Marvin was the same. Roy Jr was born in Pensacola, Fla., in 1969. The Roy Jones who fought Hagler campaigned from 1975-78 out of Las Vegas and fought pretty frequently.

    We know that RJJ was taking up amateur boxing as a kid at age 6, IIRC, and his monster of a father was running him through drills and sparring with him to ‘toughened him up’ from the start. I can’t see how a guy can be in Las Vegas as much as the Roy who fought Hagler was and still be around in Pensacola to do all this stuff — coming home from work to beat the kids on an almost daily basis.

    I wonder if this has really been explored.

    EDIT: This addresses it but does not clear it up:

    https://boxrec.com/media/index.php/Marvin_Hagler_vs._Roy_Jones
     
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  13. sweetsci

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    I momentarily forgot about the the Al Joneses. Looks like when they met Florida took out Memphis. Florida was a nice prospect and top-10 contender, but kept breaking his hands. Memphis was sure a traveler who fought a lot of names. Kirkman was on a nice run before Memphis got him.
     
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  14. Drew101

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    The second Gonzalez did score some nice wins over Vilomar Fernandez and Andy Ganigan going into his first crack at the title, and was considered a clear favorite to defeat Claude Noel. But Noel outboxed him for much of the fight, won a deserved decision and the wheels came off the Gato v2 train after that.
     
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  15. Boxing Prospect

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    Lots of Jonathan Gonzalez's (including 2 who debuted against each other in 2011)

    Two Takashi Miura's fought in the same weight at the same time
     
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