Breaking down Joe Louis: Part 6 - Putting It All Together

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  1. KuRuPT

    KuRuPT Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    We can also expand on that case.. right buddy? I'm curious if through your research you would agree that most ringside reports had more people thinking walcott won?
     
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  2. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Yeah, I would agree with that. The ratio seems to be about 3-2 in Walcott's favour.
     
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  3. techks

    techks ATG list Killah! Full Member

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    Giving eductational information on the proper techniques of boxing and not talking about modern day top fighters like they're gods, how dare you!

    But really thanks for these articles they're truly masterpieces. I have time to kill and my knowledge for boxing can never be fully satisfied which is great. Might dust off some boxing dvds to get me in the mood for study again as I haven't done that in awhile.

    Joe was so technical and imo the best finisher I ever saw on tape. Lethal combos and he made the somewhat "savagry" seem like poetic motion which takes lots of skill to do. He also arguably fought the most styles or at least the most seen on footage so it says a lot about his versatility that he was able t best them most of the time especially when prime. Baffles me when it was ignorantly said here on ESB that he has no footwork. Guy gets to where he needs to go and just likes to move calculated to then lash out at his opponent. Loved his approach actually and this describes what I said about his footwork flawlessly and with more detail:

    "Many of Joe’s critics accuse him of being robotic, stiff, of lacking dynamism in his footwork. This is not a criticism without basis, but nor is it the whole story. He sacrifices dynamism upon the altar of destruction; he trades footspeed for handspeed; he swaps naturally being in range for naturally being in position to punch—always."
     
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  4. SJS19

    SJS19 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    :good:hi:
     
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  5. mcvey

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    Finally got around to it. Flawless!:good
     
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  6. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Awww you guys.

    Thanks.

    techks, that's actually my favourite passage that i've written that you reproduced there. Maybe we can top it in part VI which is the last part of the technical side, then part VII just for fun.
     
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  7. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    You did a great job McGrain,

    I still think Walcott won the fight. Aggresion without EFFECTIVE aggression doesn't win you the fight. Louis got outjabbed, outsmarted, outslugged, outboxed. He had a great round 9, and other than that..was befuddled all night.
     
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  8. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Nothing wrong with that position at all Q. If someone reads what I wrote there and still feels a certain way that's fine with me. There is plenty of evidence to support your position.
     
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  9. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    I accept the fact Louis definitely won more rounds than I thought he did, as he did back Walcott up, land some nice jabs, and a few flurries here and there...but I thought for the most part...Walcott controlled the fight...Had it in the bag by round 15. It was a close but clear win for Jersey Joe in my opinion. I actually think Louis thought he lost the fight, he was pissed off with his performance because he realized Walcott was a lot better than he thought, and made him look really badly. he said afterwards about ruby goldsteins scorecard...."I know Rube, he calls em like he sees em"


    With that said....A 34 year old Louis' come from behind 6 punch knockout combination to beat a prime jersey joe walcott in 1948 is one of the greatest feats for a past his prime atg champion of all time. :good AN UNBELIEVABLE WIN
     
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  10. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Close but clear either way is absolutely fine by me. Walcott needed it bagged by the 13th though, as he lost the 14th and the 15th on all cards.
     
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  11. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    Seemed he pulled a oscar de la hoya-Tito after round 13...I wonder if his corner told him too? After all, Louis is way too dangerous to risk
     
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  12. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    His corner did indeed tell him to do so.
     
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  13. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    Do you blame them? He is facing the greatest puncher of all time...by far the greatest.
     
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  14. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Very hard to tell whether they are culpable or not without seeing the fight film. My thinking is that at the very least they should have done some canvassing before making the shout. Walcott's people had them 10-5 up. But it's true. Retreating might have represented Walcott's best chance at that point regardless.
     
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  15. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    I agree, Louis was a special fighter. If Walcott continued to do what he was doing early to Louis, I believe Louis would have found him in round 14 or 15. Louis was too special, greatest puncher of all time. He will always be the greatest.
     
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