Claypole... You are right about doorstaff having to be able to de-escalate a situation but sometimes that is not possible. Please trust me on this i'm no wannabe this is the truth.
I think there are good and bad doormen but lets be honest the avarage binge drinking idiot has the right to enter a club wearing what ever and when ever they like. In any state ,to be sick any were they like. Smash steal or climb any thing they come across. Can sing as loud and be abusive to any one they come see normally the poor ******* on his own with his Mrs. There are door men with bad attitudes but bear in mind there the poor ****ers normally keeping the bad element in line why your enjoying your night out.
Even in Liverpool where most of the doormen are OK, there are a few twats. Ernie Shavers is abouncer and in Liverpool and I've heard he is a really nice fella'. I think I'd stand a good chance against a bouncer who has had no boxing training. I have fairly decent stamina and would wait for them to get tired and KO them.
I do understand, Jeff. There can be no reasoning with some people. I'm not sure that this TV program gives doormen a good name, though. What do you think?
I reckon the doormen who enter for this TV programme are exactly the kind of bad element we're thinking of.I know some really bad doormen who just decide on a whim who they do or dont allow entry (usually let all the girls in and very few guys lol) and who beat the **** out of someone rather than get them out. I had a guy in a club start on me coz he thought I was drinking his beer (practically eveyone was on the same beer) and I seen the bouncers approaching so I just waited til they got there and the guy and his 2 friends were removed, 2 seconds later they came back over and put me out and paid absolutely no attention to the several people in the vicinity trying to tell them i had done nothing.(witnesses that were not part of my company) I ended up scrapping with the 3 other guys outside and got my shirt ripped and broke my knuckle then walked home feeling like a chav of sorts. The doormen actually watched the fight...wanks lol
I must admit, although a lot of them are twats, they do take a lot of **** on the door. The trouble is, when these idiots are pissed up an demand to get in, the fat, bald, goatee, long black jacket look suddenly ceases to be scary.
the bouncers in basildon are ignorant **** taking ****s and dont come across tough, howerever 1 of em only young looking and a nice guy compared to the others, I watched him break up a fight grabbing em both by the back of the neck and walking em out, neither one could break free of him no matter how hard they tried.
I have never had a problem with a doorman. But you still hear horror stories, usually from some dickhead who deserves a slap or that mental ***** who goes out in a short skirt and a hankerchief.
The worst bouncers are usually small town bouncers or the ones on those "clubs" that have a DJ who talks to the crowd over a mic...the First Leisure type clubs called "Ikon" and "The Works" etc... There were a right load of **** bouncers back home...one well known place was Bredbury Hall, nice hotel, club and restaurant liked to think highly of itself so it had a no skinhead and no earing on men policy. Despite the fact that 95% of its drinkers were local scallys, like all places with delusions of grandeur it wouldn't allow trainers etc...as if that keeps out the bad element. A few years back a couple got married near by and hired the bar and restaurant for their reception and booked about 20 odd guests into the hotel. The no earing policy starts at 7pm when the bouncers come on. At about 6.45pm the groom left the reception to go outside and make a phone call, when he went to go back inside the doormen had started their shift and wouldn't let him in. He explained that he was the groom and that he had hired out the whole bar and restaurant, booked a load of hotel rooms and had been in the premisis all day with no problems from management. Eventually the bouncers let him back in but he had to remove his earing and they said if he was caught putting it back in he would be kicked out. He went back in and within half an hour he had put it back in, to cut a long story short, he was spotted by one bouncer, three of them dragged him outside in front of his new wife and a few remaining guests and battered him, one then ripped up a post from a fence and beat him so badly they broke his spine and paralysed him for life. I know a fair few bouncers who are top lads, but in my experience most of the good ones work in London or in very nice bars in other cities where they seem to actually take some pride in doing a good job rather than doing a good job over on someone. It was about the only good thing the gangs in Manchester ever did in that some big gobby **** who loved bullying people would suddenly find himself having to bow his head at a 15 year old kid or end up getting shot. A good few **** bouncers got brought down a level two.
I am on a work **** up to Bredbury Hall next month - there was a two page sheet detailing the etiquette
I remember going to Legs 11 (strip club in Brum) one evening. At the end of the night I left and as I was leavin the club I was pushed to the side as an argument between a punter and bouncer broke out. The bouncer man handled him out of the club and when they were on the curb he delivered the most vicious uppercut I've ever seen. The bloke went flying across the bonnet of a car and then landed on the floor - he was out cold. I learnt that night never to touch the girls