British fighters need to step up at 20 - 0 , not 40 - 0 then get beaten up

I just think its promoters looking to make as much money as possible before the fighters get "found out" or move to the next level.
Maybe we just arent producing top class talent as much, or maybe we're not testing them enough, boxing much more than martial arts seems to emphasise the 0 so much, if a fighter even has 2 losses in a 30 fight record they seem to be seen as no longer a prospect

 

Calzaghe fought Eubank after about 20 fights, then fought former world champs such as Brewer and Reid, as well as chasing fights against Hopkins, Collins and Ottke. I dont think that is not stepping up.
Lennox Lewis fought the likes of Ruddock, Tucker and Mercer while still in the 20s in number of fights in his career and went after fights with with Bowe and Tyson so its hard to see what more he could have done.
David Haye was fighting the best in his division before his 20th fight

Derek Chisora had a fight lined up with Klitscko after about 14 fights

 

It's not that damn simple Carl Froch was a top am boxer and none of the others youre comparing him to are.

For **** sake the BBC had tv adverts for froch BEFORE he even turned pro:nut

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care to respond ?

 

None of the fighters you listed is really world class. Genuine world class British fighters step up in class way earlier, eg Khan,Calzgahe, Haye, Froch, Honeyghan, Benn, Hamed, Lewis etc etc

 

Are you serious?? CLeverly might be the real deal but he sure hasnt proven that hes one of the top LH... I think hes more like a borderline contender.... IMO NIcky Cook was never even world class either, when he stepped up he got whupped, he might have won the title but it was against other euro class type guys not a legit world ranked guy.. And MCdonagh?? WHo the hell is that i had to look up that dude on boxing records.. And by the looks of his competition and losses hes not very good.

Of all those guys Harrison reached world class status the fastest.. And Haye.... Kahn always had the skills but, Roach made a big difference in a short time.

 

George Collins in the 80s actually HAD world-class talent - he won everything as an amateur and went 67-0 in the unpaid ranks. But he was also Frank W arren's first fighter from scratch, as W arren signed him pro. George Collins went 35-0 without fighting ANYBODY, and basically just stagnated. It was disgraceful that W arren milked a talent like that to the point where the physical talent itself just declined.

W arren's next former amateur star from scratch? Ricky Hatton. WBU garbage. Nearly did it again when Hatton looked terrible against Vilches. Thankfully Ricky FORCED him to get the Tszyu fight after promising a world top-ten opponent for five years without delivering once.

Calzaghe's reign was diabolical, too, fighting once or twice a year against the worst world title challengers in history. So lucky he had such natural talent or he'd of stagnated drastically.

 

So because a hand full of fringe level contenders have secured title shots through world rankings (in particular sanctioning bodies) or promotional opportunities , its now a trend !!!???

Go away and stop talking **** , if an opportunity presents itself a fighter will take it .

Your thread hold absolutley no relevance , of the fighters mentioned they are not world class and every one of them was a significant underdog going into there world title fights :deal barring Brook and Murray obviously

Cleverley is a world champion (22 & 0), De Gale (10 & 1) and Groves (13 & 0) have held significant titles as does Stephen Smith (12 & 0) and Tony Bellew (15 & 0) , fact is , if your good enough your going to progress , if your not then clearly its going to take a bit of time , the crop of fighters your talking about are not world class , the consensus is that the current crop we have coming through are , but we dont know that for sure .....................

 

Calzaghe never made " good money " fighting cans , and the fighters the TS mentioned are mostly cans themselves ...............

 

He ****ing did. He was a multi-millionaire years before the Lacy fight, despite drawing no viewers and failing to sell tickets outside Cardiff Ice Rink. Joe was VERY lucky that he was W arren's boy, and W arren in turn very lucky that he had the Sky contract - the reason he lost it was because of Joe Calzaghe's lack of charisma and pulling out of fights.

 

Id like to know what fights Calzaghe claimed a 6 figure payday from pre Lacy ..................

 

Every fight.

 

Great thread

I agree 100%.

The problem you have is FRANK ******

He loves spoon feeding his upo and comers, keeping them undefeated and only letting them go to America when they have 2 or 3 fights left in them.

British fighters pad their records with easy wins. Fact.

 

W arren had Sky remember.

The Lacy fight was his lowest-purse for nine years.

 

Enough said ................ :hi:

 

No they ****in dont FACT !!!!!

Look at the current crop coming through now , Cleverley , Bellew , De Gale , Groves , Smith (Stephen) , they have all been tested at there respective levels , on multiple occasions .

Khan , Haye and Froch do not have padded records !!!

Watch for Gavin and Billy Joe Saunders to fight for British title's this year , fighters who need to pad there records out do so !!! , fighters who are better than that dont ............

Its not a British trend