British Forum: Which ATG was Calzaghe greater then?

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  1. brown bomber

    brown bomber 2010 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    Walcott, Moore, Patterson, Holyfield, Tyson, Lewis, Monzon, Hagler, Arguello, Pryor, Benitez, Chavez, De La Hoya, Trinidad, Barrera, Morales, Nelson, Sanchez, Foster, Tiger.

    An ATG is an all time great meaning one of the greatest fighters of all time, mening they could fight in any era with success. Not just the post Benn, Eubank, Jones, Collins era. The above fighters are what i'd class as the lower end of the all time greats.
     
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    brown bomber 2010 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    Come on Toffeejack.....I haven't got all night.
     
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  3. Dan684

    Dan684 Dave's Stepdad Full Member

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    Jeff. Calzaghe wasn't an all time great so this thread makes no sense. He can't be better than any lower end ATG's because if he was he'd be an ATG himself which he's not :good
     
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  4. brown bomber

    brown bomber 2010 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    Thank you Dan... I'm just enjoying the Calzaghe huggers ignoring this thread or trying to question the thread motives etc....

    Calzaghe was NOT an ATG he was a modestly skilled champion who mixed at an incredibly uncompetitive class and the only thing that seperates him from his fellow champions is the fact that his lack of ambition coupled with Frank Warrens notoriously unadventurous match making and some poor judging allowed him to complete his career without suffering a defeat. And videos of the way he boxed just add further evidence he was unexceptional in most areas.

    The end? Thread closed?
     
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  5. toffeejack

    toffeejack Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I'll be honest I don't know enough about Foster and Tiger.

    Barrera is greater for sure. Hagler, Morales, De la Hoya, Pryor, Benitez I wouldn't complain about being above Joe.

    I still maintain Calzaghe is overall greater than Lewis but I'm not getting into that debate again it's been done to death. I would put him above Trinidad though no doubt about that one for me. His biggest win is De la Hoya which he never won as long as I've got a hole in my anus.

    Tyson is also debatable. I loved Tyson and in my opinion could have gone on to be one of THE all time greats but in reality he was only on top for 3 or 4 years and his resume is still questionable.

    Longevity has to go a long way surely?
     
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  6. China_hand_Joe

    China_hand_Joe Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Calzaghe has a greater resume than Hagler for sure, Hagler was just more famous.

    The guy has close fights with old middleweights and welterweights and they were his most remembered fights. On par with the Roy Jones win really.

    Calzaghe is certainly above Willie Pep and Marciano as a dominatant one weight champion also.
     
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  7. kosaros

    kosaros Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    :patsch
     
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  8. China_hand_Joe

    China_hand_Joe Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Explain why any single one of my points is incorrect?
     
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  9. kosaros

    kosaros Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Why should I bother?
     
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  10. Gaz S

    Gaz S Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Because you made them.
     
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  11. brown bomber

    brown bomber 2010 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    Yep longevity when your fighting top guys like Robinson was and Louis but not when your cherrypicking. It cancels out the whole concept of longevity if your fighting guys you start a heavy favourite against.

    I bet I could get a talented fighter to 46-0 if I had enough resources and they were happy to make no progress with their career. Calzaghe was a fair champion domestically but he is not, was not and never will be a legend.
     
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  12. brown bomber

    brown bomber 2010 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    CHJ :lol: GTFO o here lol
     
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  13. China_hand_Joe

    China_hand_Joe Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Nobody can argue against the Marciano point at least.

    That guys resume is blank, besides the zero. How can anyone bump Marciano up to ATG status based purely on him being undefeated?
     
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  14. toffeejack

    toffeejack Boxing Addict Full Member

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    So you still rate Felix Trinidad and every single one of the debatable ones you mentioned above Calzaghe as an ATG?

    What do you think of Tyson's career, resume and achievements compared to Calzaghe?
     
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  15. TFFP

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    80 - Joe Brown
    81 - Beau Jack
    82 - Maxie Rosenbloom
    83 - Eseban de Jesus
    84 - Dick Tiger
    85 - Battling Nelson
    86 - Harold Johnson
    87 - Duillio Loi
    88 - Cocoa Kid
    89 - Jake LaMotta
    90 - Eddie Booker
    91 - Marcel Cerdan
    92 - Mike McCallum
    93 - Hecrot Camacho
    94 - Panama Al Brown
    95 - Lou Ambers
    96 - Miguel Canto
    97 - Tiger Flowers
    98 - Khaosai Galaxy
    99 - Pete Herman
    100-Pone Kingpetch
    101-Benny Lynch

    Here is a respected posters lower echelon of greats.

    Tell me why Joe Calzaghe can NOT rank above Benny Lynch, Pone Kingpetch, Galaxy, Lou Ambers, Marcel Cerdan, Duilio Loi. Go on.

    You guys don't even know who the hell the great fighters are, you are just making up **** and throwing names out there. 'Barrera's better'. So ****ing what, what does that say?
     
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