Building muscle without losing speed???

Discussion in 'Boxing Training' started by ben1990, Sep 5, 2009.


  1. brown bomber

    brown bomber 2010 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    Explain what you mean Scurla i'm still learning all this science talk.:lol:
     
  2. scurlaruntings

    scurlaruntings ESB 2002 Club Full Member

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    Its not science at all dude. BB just build muscle and thats it. Its not trained for anything sports specific other than aesthetics. It has no function its simply just dense muscle that for all intents and purposes is fairly useless other than strength.
     
  3. scrap

    scrap Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Scurls right Jeff, simply its about what muscle does for power. It contracts to much contraction causes the muscle not to mobalise as it should , its all to do with those little things called Nuerons the doers and the ability for the muscle to expand. Larger the expansion better the contraction less tares no injurys, once theres a cut be it on skin or muscle its never the same. The secret is stretching the Biomechanical movement of the body to Box, everything is preperation or should be to perform correct actions, to defeat Gravity everything is Balance and Biomechanical Posture :good.
     
  4. scurlaruntings

    scurlaruntings ESB 2002 Club Full Member

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    In other words Muscle Memory. :thumbsup

    Muscles remember what there told to do...
     
  5. brown bomber

    brown bomber 2010 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    Our gym is primarily a BB gym... we've just got units alongside it. I understand what your saying. Thanks boxing is the best training for boxing I get it. Weights are just an additional tool when used correctly. Right? As for you scrap... lol. Your riddles make me laugh.... Any more news on your invention?
     
  6. scrap

    scrap Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Told Oct, theres another 6 of them
     
  7. scrap

    scrap Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Talking about Muscle memory, what cause bad Biomechanics are the eyes. Which have the shortest memory of all the senses 1/6 of a second, missed that :patsch
     
  8. scurlaruntings

    scurlaruntings ESB 2002 Club Full Member

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    Bingo. And with that im off to the gym to get my swollen on!
     
  9. Bodi

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    Jeff - google sarcoplasmic hypertrophy and myofibrillar hypertrophy. There is oodles of information out there on these two different type's of hypertrophy. Whilst you are at it, also look up contractile/non contractile proteins. These subjects should give you a good base understanding of 'why' we do what we do, and how that transfers into greater reactions, speed, explosiveness, power etc. Whilst they can be very deep subjects, you won't have any problems taking it all in.

    Knowing of your desire to learn, I would strongly advise trying to get a hold of the book 'Supertraining' by Mel Siff. Some of the content can be a bit difficult to understand, and whilst it doesn't really go into practical routines for boxers and such like, it will help you tremendously with learning the fundamentals right through to some of the most advanced scienctific principles on training that I have ever read. You can buy the book from the following website - http://supertraining-siff.com/st.html It is a bit pricey, but it will be among the best money that you will ever spend.
     
  10. Goose

    Goose Russian oligarch Full Member

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    I am not sure if you mean that training should mimic the motion of a punch? I find that pushing motions, which are trained when mimicking the motion of a punch are not the ones that need to be trained as hard, its the opposite of it, thats the pulling motions. For example training in bench pressing by extending your hands outward like your are punching does not help speed, unless you are doing explosive full range or hyperextended movements. However, pulling motions, e.i. rows will help more because when punching your power fundamentally comes from your back and not chest muscles. Just an observation here.
     
  11. RDJ

    RDJ Boxing Junkie banned

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    I don't think that bench pressing mimics the movement of a punch in any way.
     
  12. Bodi

    Bodi Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Why anyone would include bench presses in their boxing routine is beyond me. Chest work, I don't have a problem with, but the carryover benefits from the bench press to boxing are limited - there are better ways imo.

    Anyway, the primary way to increase punching speed is to enhance the punch mechanics/technique - you do this by punching (so shadowboxing is a vastly underrated form of speed training, especially when you capatilise on the after effect of weighted shadow boxing). Scrap would probably say that a precursor to this would be 'visual' training (and he would be right to a certain extent), but in the main, you need to punch. Every form of resistance training you do, whether it be isolation, compound, isometric, progressive resistance, complex training etc are all supplemental to your technique work - you could also add flexibility and the ability to deliver maximum power through the full rom to this argument.

    To obtain maximum speed, you cannot focus solely on one specific area of training. A well rounded training programme which targets several strength aspects, all body parts, balance work, mobility drills, coordination drills dynamic flexibility, periodisation, adequate rest periods and technique work (and probably some other things that I forgot to add) all need to be in place to maximise speed.
     
  13. scrap

    scrap Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Bodi spot on , Goose you need the support of the Chest area for the Back to work as it should, The body works all or nothing. Everything has a job to do, its there for a reason The Chest supports the Thumbs action with a Punchs direction. :good its a wonderfull thing is the thumb look after it, it Helps with our IQ :patsch
     
  14. mgmark7

    mgmark7 Active Member Full Member

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    Try kettlebell work or learn some olympic style moves. Learn how to do overhead squats with bodyweight and you can wrestle bears. More importantly practice your craft.