Burns, Ketchell and Langford.

Seamus · Jan 18, 2024

Cmoyle said: ↑

Haven't checked out this forum in ages. On the subject of a possible Langford-Burns matchup: "On December 26. 1908, Johnson and his Australian trainer Duke Mullins were in the dressing room preparing for a bout (against Burns) when Johnson asked where Burns was "housed." Mullins told him not to worry about Burns. "Worry about him," Johnson replied, "why I know a few middleweights who could beat him. Langford was no doubt one of the middleweights Johnson was referring to. Once, while training Johnson for the bout with Burns, Duke asked him how he thought little Sam would do against Burns. "It wouldn't be a match, Langford would finish him off in no time," was Johnson's reply. (Source: Duke Mullins)
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Nice to hear from you, Clay. You working on anything?

Melankomas · Jan 18, 2024

Langford beats up both, and Burns beats up Ketchel

he grant · Jan 19, 2024

burt bienstock said: ↑

Answer : Let's pretend that you have never heard of Ray Robinson...and then you are shown the film of his fight with Ralph Tiger Jones. Would your immediate reaction be:"wow, this guy in the black trunks has got to be one of the greatest fighters ever"...or would you think you were watching a fighter who was not that good ?...Or after watching Ali for the first time against a Leon Spinks or Trevor Berbick, or Larry Holmes, get the impression this guy was mediocre at best ? I'll bet you would sir.
My contention is that Stanley Ketchel was considered by all who saw him
through his prime and thought he was the greatest 158 pound fighter of all
times because they watched him tear away joe Thomas, mike and jack Sullivan, ko billy Papke, Phil Jack O'Brien a LH, and 44 other opponents in his sensational career. You must take a fighters whole body of work and what his contemporaries thought of him, before you rush to
judgement....For example I as a youngster saw the great Henry Armstrong
be terribly outclassed by the rising Ray Robinson at MSG. Robbie played with Armstrong his idol. But young as I was that night,I and the crowd knew enough about Hammerin Hank to not judge his past greatness solely
on this one bout...Stanley Ketchel before opium and a dissipating lifestyle
got to him was a great and feared middleweight...
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burt bienstock said: ↑

Answer : Let's pretend that you have never heard of Ray Robinson...and then you are shown the film of his fight with Ralph Tiger Jones. Would your immediate reaction be:"wow, this guy in the black trunks has got to be one of the greatest fighters ever"...or would you think you were watching a fighter who was not that good ?...Or after watching Ali for the first time against a Leon Spinks or Trevor Berbick, or Larry Holmes, get the impression this guy was mediocre at best ? I'll bet you would sir.
My contention is that Stanley Ketchel was considered by all who saw him
through his prime and thought he was the greatest 158 pound fighter of all
times because they watched him tear away joe Thomas, mike and jack Sullivan, ko billy Papke, Phil Jack O'Brien a LH, and 44 other opponents in his sensational career. You must take a fighters whole body of work and what his contemporaries thought of him, before you rush to
judgement....For example I as a youngster saw the great Henry Armstrong
be terribly outclassed by the rising Ray Robinson at MSG. Robbie played with Armstrong his idol. But young as I was that night,I and the crowd knew enough about Hammerin Hank to not judge his past greatness solely
on this one bout...Stanley Ketchel before opium and a dissipating lifestyle
got to him was a great and feared middleweight...
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Interesting side note, When a come backing Louis challenged Charles for the title in 49 in a televised bout and lost decisively it was the first time most of the public had actually seen him fight other than newsreel footage and for a long time there was a knee jerk response by many that Louis was not great as advertised .. clearly the wrong fight can change perspective.

Greg Price99 · Jan 19, 2024

Melankomas said: ↑

Langford beats up both, and Burns beats up Ketchel
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How I see it, too.

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