Bute-Andrade's opinion

But what about the refs argument that he was simply enforcing the rules of boxing by stopping the count to force Andrade to stay in the neutral corner. Dempsey refused to go to a neutral corner and it cost him the victory over Tunney. What's the difference? Andrade messed up by breaking the rules.

 

not meaning to undermine you in anyway but to me it looked like he was in teh corner clearly. i mean how far out does he have to be to be considered "out of his corner?" god where is steve smoger when you need him?

 

The Right decision is exactly what Richard Steele did to Taylor. If your in no possion to continue the fight needs to be stopped. Regardless of the time of the fight because it was the other guy that put you in that possion and he needs to be given credit for that. Unfortuently you are right in that no matter what the ref did there would have been controversy. Very good post BTW.

 

Noone got a view of Andrade at the time the ref got pissed off and started barking orders and pointing. The ref felt he was out of his corner and also believed Andrade was defying him by refusing to back up into the neutral corner. Once fighters start defying the ref's explicit orders things quickly degenerate into a street fight. The ref didn't cost him the fight. Andrade's dumbness did.

 

now i think that rule should be looked at. i mean what im saying is that andrade wasnt up in bute's face like clay-liston2 like he was far away if that makes sense. i would really like to know what other title fights this pathetic excuse for a ref has reffed in.

 

But wasn't Bute in a position to continue for one or two more seconds, until the final bell? Regardless of whether Andrade would have had Bute out with his first punch, if that punch couldn't have been landed in the time left of the fight, Bute survived the fight and he needs to be given credit for that. Right?

This is the problem. Bute was on his feet, had his hands up, was away from the ropes. Was he in a position to continue or not? That is the question. I don't think it's obvious he wasn't ready. Even if we agree Andrade would have KOed him with the first punch, that doesn't mean he wasn't ready to continue...does it? Maybe he just was, on the limit. We don't know. Only the ref knows. He saw Bute up close. Looked him in the face. We don't know. The ref had to decide whether Bute was ready to continue until the end of the round, not indefinitely, right? :good

Rematch!

 

Come on man,Wright counted 6 twice and if Bute would have taken a step forward he would have been on the canvas.This was Librado's win

 

In that case, robbery. Need to rewatch it. I'm not taking anyone's side, not Bute, not Andrade's, but I'm not blaming the ref either until I'm sure of what happened. I am just unsure of what happened!:good

 

Wright:...6....warn Andrade.....6..7..8
Twice 6?:-(

 

Hmm, thats a matter of debate. But I thought he was clearly really badly hurt. And I know I've neverseen a fight continue in say the 11th round with a guy that hurt. He was completely out.

I've said in another thread that in his condition Bute probably would have been put into a coma had he been hit again.

Absolutely! Heart of Champion. You don't always win'em pretty. But the chapions win them anyway they can.

You can feel Andrade should be the champ and still respect Bute. Frankly my respect for the man hasn't gone down all that much he was doing what he had to do to finish the fight and if the ref should have made a different call then thats the ref's fault.

Thats actually my problem is that the ref wasn't paying attention to Bute he was yelling at Andrade. If you watch the repay when Bute first gets up he bails back into the ropes and is completely out of it. When a fighter is doing that after twelve rounds you know he's not able to continue. bu the ref didn't see that because his head was turned to Andrade. Had he seen that I'm sure he would have called the fight off. Eitherway it honestly goes down to **** happens all round. And for Andrade's part although I do feel that he should have one the fight the only reason I feel that he almost won the fight was because Bute didn't run in the 12th. So it makes what happened easier to stomach. Personally I'd only like to see a rematch because an injustice to Andrade occured and it would help Bute gain any credability lost by this win. I feel that if they were to fight again Bute would come in better trained and more messured and cautious. The fight would be boring and Bute would win an easy decisions. No need for a rematch interms of who would win though. And if it doesn't come off well thats not the end of the world, **** just happens.

 

Ill admit i have a little resentment for canada tonight because of the ref, but the Canadiens/hardcore Bute fans on this board are pure class and know that Andrade should of got the win, I havent found one person really defending the outcome from anyone here at ESB.

 

One quick question: how do you rate Bute chin ?

Was he mostly out because of exaustion, or was he more hurt than anything else ? It look to me that he have a pretty solid chin, but he seem to ran out of gaz trying to give the fans a toe to toe last round.

 

It's his stamina,not his chin,how many times did he get hit flush before going down,and the final punch would have killed Amir Khan Creed style:yikes ,his stamina is the issue

 

Yeah honestly I think its just he's not that durrable of a guy. THats interms of stamina and punch resistance. i wouldn't say he's chinny...like gets knocked out with one punch. But its not hard to hurt him and he carries the punches with him to much (i.e gets broken down too easily). Thats more of a stamina recovery type thing.

 

I'm not defending the outcome but I wouldn't be defending the outcome if Bute had been called knocked out with one second to go, if indeed the count was legit and he beat it. I am unsure what happened. My gut feeling tells me either way it would have been controversial.

I hate robberies. If this one was a robbery, I hate it. I am not convinced it was, although I am not convinced it wasn't. It wasn't so clear cut that you could say it was a blatant daylight robbery, even if you think there was a robbery, right?

Also, I understand the reaction of fans from Montreal. They feel they have had robberies go against them in foreign lands plenty of times, so they want decisions at home to be very fair. However, I think they are so oversensitised that they are more Catholic than the Pope about this. Just because the decision of the ref was controversial doesn't mean it was wrong, necessarily. Maybe it was! I don't know (yet); not convinced one way or another. But just because it could have been wrong doesn't mean it was a robbery - maybe he made a sincere mistake. I don't think it's right that Montreal posters overreact to this and say it harms Montreal's/ Canada's reputation for fairness until it's proven that the ref got it wrong and that he was in all likelyhood trying to save Bute at the end by deciding wrongly not to stop the fight, knewing that he was doing something wrong. To me, that's not proven yet. Maybe it will be, though.

What will harm Bute's/Interbox'/Montreal's/Canada's reputation is if they don't give Andrade an immediate rematch with an independent (American) referee, preferably in an independant location (America)(???). That is an easy decision to make in the cool light of day, not one taken on the spur of the moment by a referee put in a very difficult situation. IMO.:good