Bute beat the count... easily

Like I said:up to the ref

 

In my idiotic oppinion Bute should have been stopped even if beating the count.But that's just me

 

Yep, Bute beating the legitimate 10 count (not the refs count) could have gone either way, given the situation. Its more the obviouls ulterior motives that make the situation a joke. As it was clear he was going to do his best to get Bute over the line, as opposed to a fair application of the rules.

 

Here's one thing that people might want to consider. If you beat the count but the ref decides your not fit to continue its ruled a technical knockout, not a knockout. To avoid a knockout you don't have to do anything else but just get on your feet before 10. Now once you do get on your feet it doesn't mean you can keep fighting you have to be able to convince the ref that you can keep fighting. If you can't convince the ref of this the fight is waved off and the fight is said to end on a technical knockout.

Now after the twelth and final round does the fighter have to convince the ref that he is fit to continue if he doesn't actually have to continue? And a second point have you ever heard of a fight being losing a fight by TKO after teh twelth and final round?

Honestly, once Bute got to his feet before the count had finished then its pretty hard to rule the fight in Andrade's favour.

 

Roy was up, Maccarinelli was up, Tito was up in the Hopkins fight. Yet they stopped them. It's called TECHNICAL KNOCKOUT. The ref's job it to stop the fight when the fighter is in no condition to continue... last night the ref not only counted for 24 seconds, but failed to check that the fighter is okay or not... even after the long count! You cannot be saved by the bell in any round means that if the KD occurs at 2:59.999, and the ref counts for 10 minutes, if the fighter is still in no condition after the biased long count, the ref still has to save the fighter. IT'S HIS JOB! THAT'S WHY HE'S THERE! HE MUST FOLLOW THE RULES! It's called Referee Stopped Fight i.e. RSF in the amateurs.

 

Finally, someone who knows boxing.

WORLD TITLE SAVED BY THE BELL?
By Ryan Burton

Bute down at final bell but wins decision

Lucian Bute W12 Librado Andrade... In Montreal, Librado Andrade was getting routed by IBF 168-pound champion Lucian Bute but he finally came on in the twelfth round. In a sudden turn of events, Andrade knocked Bute down near the end of the twelfth round. Bute was given what appeared to be a few extra seconds to get up by the referee and won a unanimous decision. The scores were 117-109 115-111 115-110. It appeared that Bute got up after eight seconds on the canvas and rightfully won because the round should have ended as soon as he got up.

 

Yes.

 

bull**** swedone. Yes he clearly beat the count but he still has to prove he is in shape to continue. regardless of the round. The ref gave him far too much time, and even then Bute was stumbling to his corner.

Andrade won that fight.

 

No ****ing moron !!! Thats not true !

Damn uncultivated READ !!!
The bell will not save a boxer in any round of the bout.If a boxer is "downed" just before the 3-minute bell in any round, the referee's count shall continue and the bell will not ring until the boxer rises and his hands clear the floor.

 

I know the rules of boxing. Whats up with the insults? Stop being a dick.

My point was the guy was barely able to stand and stumbled his way to the corner. In no way did he prove he was okay to continue. Because its the 12th round, and with few seconds left it means he just gets to stand up? Since when? See Meldrick Taylor vs Chavez.

****, the guy could barely stand for the last 30 seconds of the fight but the ref stepped in a few times and disrupted Andrade's attempts to put him down.

Anyway you swing that, the ref is **** and did have a negative effect on the outcome of the fight.

 

Does he have to save the fighter when the fight is over???? Really what was the ruling going to be referee stops the fight at 3:10 of the 12th round?

 

Interesting post - thanks for that.

Two more things two add.

So I think I was wrong in my previous post: Bute did beat the count (though again you could probably debate whether he was standing or not). However, I still think he lost the fight. The twelfth round is no different from any other. If any fighter is unfit to continue, the fight should be waved off. Based on that, I believe it should have been TKO 12 for Andrade.

 

Exactly. That's the whole point of 'can't be saved by the bell'. You can't win a fight by leaning against the ropes to keep yourself from collapsing. The ref has to ensure that you're fit to continue. Medrick Taylor will tell you this very clearly.