Calzaghe - Dawson

Good post.

 

This fight MUST NOT happen until Dawson beats someone of note. If not your just going to have the same scenario as the Lacy victory. Great win, Great performance, zero kudos.

 

Dawson vs Kessler with the winner getting a shot at Calzaghe, anyone?

Other than Kessler, who is there of note for Dawson to beat to demand that fight - certainly not Tarver again?

Woods - nah, shot
Johnson - would be good to win LEGITIMATELY, rather than draw :deal
Tarver - beaten him already
Erdei - who?
Taylor - not proven at SMW yet
Lacy - about to be retired by Taylor
Hopkins - he wouldn't beat Hopkins
Jones - probably retiring, not really relevant anymore
Bute - not really a big enough name, received a favour in his last fight
Froch - not a big enough name

 

This is why I wanted Pavlik rather than Dawson before the RJJ fight was announced, but I think Dawson has now earned it. I mean as Beeston Brawler notes who else can he really beat? Kessler or Hopkins really who Calzaghe has already defeated anyway...

I think on the basis of his wins against Adamek, Johnson and Tarver that he is worthy of a shot at Calzaghe.

However, I do hear ya. I'm only too aware that the haters and revisionists will twist those wins to suit their agenda (Adamek mediocre, one dimensional, struggled with old trail horse Johnson, Tarver old and shot, beaten plenty in the past)...but I think the majority will see beyond that and give JC plenty of credit if he takes on and beats Dawson. In terms of opponents beat, he is certainly the most worthy guy out there imo other than perhaps a rematch with Hopkins which I don't want to see personally...have a feeling the fight would play out very similar and would be equally as dull.

 

Calzaghe UD 119-109.

 

As little as a year and a half ago Joe was fighting Peter Manfredo Jr, and before that the mighty well known Sakio Bika. That was just two fights before he fought a shot Jones in his last fight. All of a sudden people say Dawson isn't big or good enough to go in the ring with Joe. Dawson is clearly more skilled then Lacy (perhaps has a better CV), and he's perhaps as proven as Kessler.

If Joe beats him - at worst Dawson is a top 5 victory of his, he will probably be a top 2 or 3 - and he could even be Joes best win.

Joe was given a pass by many for the Jones fight which shouldn't have happened, now people are already writing the excuses for him not fighting Dawson (if he retires then fair enough - but if he fights again - which this thread is about - then Dawson is the live fight out there, imo). At the moment a fight against Froch just looks like to me a continuation of Joe's WBO period.

 

On the Dawson/Johnson thing, sure he scraped a victory but didn't Joe against Reid early on in his career as well. Johnson is a decent enough fighter if getting on a bit. We all know Joe was supposed to fight him but for some reason didn't - I think it's unfair to shoot Dawson for scrapping a win. As far as I remember of that fight Dawson seemed to be in control then it all went frantic and belly up - I've only watched it the once though.

 

That's NOT what people are saying!!!atsch

Let me tell you again what people are saying: They're saying Dawson isn't such a huge threat to Calzaghe and clearly so much better than all the other fighters who deserve a shot at Calzaghe that Calzaghe should feel forced to drop his retirement plans to fight him and him alone. :deal

The fact that you bring up Manfredo and Bika just shows that you are out of touch or have some kind of a weird agenda. He needed an Amerian name to become better known in the USA to get a fight against a big American name, which he couldn't get!!! They weren't cueing like flies to a **** then to take a shot at Calzaghe even after he lacyied Lacy, because they wrote Lacy off as an ovehyped bum, like they do with every opponent Calzaghe beats impressively...including "one-dimensional robo Kessler", and the other "euro-bums" that Calzaghe fought throughout his career!

So...he picked Manfredo because Manfredo was better known to the casual fan in the USA than any other American SMWs, including Lacy, having just come off the Contender...! He finally got his shot at Hopkins and Jones...because the Yanks finally took notice, partly because he beat that Show Pony Manfredo. Who is still out there for him to fight?

The reason he fought Bika was because Taylor didn't want to fight him, so Bika was a replacement at 3 weeks' notice! He didn't pick Bika because he wanted to fight Bika! HBO had a contract with him saying he needed to take part in a fight at that date, and no American name wanted a part of Calzaghe, not Pavlik, not Dawson, not nobody, so they had to find someone when negotiations with Taylor went sour for good.


You say: "If Joe beats him - at worst Dawson is a top 5 victory of his, he will probably be a top 2 or 3 - and he could even be Joes best win."

Why would it be a top 2 or 3 victory, if Lacy isn't? Lacy was more proven than Dawson and he had beaten better quality opposition. He wasn't on his arse or out on his feet every time he fought either!

How can you say that a victory over a prime, proven Reid wouldn't be worth more than a victory over Dawson? How can you say a victory over a prime, proven Michell wouldn't be worth more? etc.

You of all people should know better!atsch

 

That is fine I can go with that point of view that Dawson may not be big enough at the moment to make it attractive a fight for Joe not to retire - but if Joe fights again, Dawson is the best live fight out there, imho; that is all I'm saying. A win over Dawson would also add something to his resume - and I stand by my original point that it would be one of Joes best wins unless Dawson's career collapses, ala Lacy - but you could say that about any boxer.

 

He MAY be big and good enough to make it attractive for him not to retire, but again, this is not the point! Calzaghe is accused of actually DUCKING Dawson, the big white elephant in the room! Unless Calzaghe fights Dawson, he is a fraud! That's what they say! Remember when Calzaghe seemed unwilling to fight Kessler? We all went out and said he MUST fight him, etc. Well, Dawson is used by the Yanks to fill that Kessler role...Calzaghe absolutely MUST fight a prime, unbeaten amazing fighter like Dawson, because otherwise they won't consider him legit, because he's only beaten up on old men! They forget about Kessler, who WAS that prime, unbeaten amazing fighter, altogether, conveniently. They do it because they will not be happy until someone exposes Calzaghe as the fraud they always knew he really was. Preferably, Calzaghe should be exposed by a Yank, so that the whole of British and Eurpean boxing can be written off with one brushstroke, and so that Euro-bums can be forever ignored, in the USA.

(I'm assuming you are British, because you post a lot on the British forum.)

 

Dawson Joe's best win

That is one of the biggest jokes of the day. Hopkins would beat Dawson, I'm sure of it.

 

There wouldn't even be a debate on Hopkins against Dawson.

 

I said one of his best wins, and possible could go on to be his best win if his career turns good.

 

So Taylor is considerably better then Dawson is he?

 

Your getting too lost in the USA, EURO/Brit thing. I don't care what they say in the main forum or in here - fraud, ducking etc etc... Euro Bum, Yank hypejob etc etc... I just think that Dawson would be a good live fight - a win would be what it is, and time could make that win better - depending on what Dawson does.