Calzaghe = The best

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Amsterdam, Feb 14, 2008.


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  1. H .

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    its the other way around, understand?
     
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  2. TFFP

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    Not really

    Joe Calzaghe is a case in point. Great boxer, he doesn't need your shitty PPV to prove it
     
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    okay, you can think that. :good
     
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  4. FRKO

    FRKO "A MAN" Full Member

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    Yes, and I'm sure it hurts Joe when an Internet forum nobody says he's "unknown". He's probably in tears right now, you heartless *******!

    Is fighting in America the be all and end all of boxing to you?

    Again, please state names of American fighters he should have been fighting instead of the names on his resume.

    PS: F.U.C.K. is a shitty VH album. :)
     
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  5. Asterion

    Asterion Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He's Top5 of this generation, especially if he beats Hopkins.

    But his resume is a weak.
     
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  6. FRKO

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    Asterion, can you please name names? Who should he have been fighting? "An american" is not a good answer.
     
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    why is F.U.C.K a shitty album
     
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  8. FRKO

    FRKO "A MAN" Full Member

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    Because VH lost their magic after Roth left in 1985. They still haven't topped VH1.
     
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  9. Asterion

    Asterion Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It's not his fault. There weren't any 'names' in his era. Just like Roy Jones at 175. But Jones fought good fighters before at 160 and 168.
     
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  10. McGrain

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    Hopkins would have been nice. Anyone at LHW would have been nice.

    He could still build a decent wee resume though.
     
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  11. FRKO

    FRKO "A MAN" Full Member

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    Hops would definitely have been nice, and I'm sure Joe would say the same, had Hopkins not ducked him in 2002.
     
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  12. McGrain

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    You don't wonder across the atlantic and take on a figher like Hopkins. You need to do more. You need to go to America and build a rep.

    Like Ricky Haton.

    You think Hatton would have got a MASSIVE payday with the best fighter in the world after taking on fighters in UK?

    The answer is no.

    You show ambition, your ambitions are often met - Calzaghe stayed in the Uk and is paying for it with his resume.
     
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  13. FRKO

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    I disagree -- all this talk about fighters having to go to the USA to gain respect has never washed with me.
     
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  14. McGrain

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    I respect Calzaghe but you make a very general point.

    Look, again, at Hatton. That big fight in Manchester wasn't a springboard to a series of domestic opponents. It was a springboard to a lesser opponent. Who led to the best in the world, pound for pound. Perhas Joe could have taken this path to a showdown with Jones. I don't know. Perhaps just Hopkins. I don't know. We'll never know.

    A fighter doesn't have to go to the states to get respect. He DOES have to go to the States if he wants a genuine superfight with a genuine p4p great (which Calzaghe belatedly does, and gets).

    It's ok to say Joe stayed in Cardiff for food paydays with loads of fans - that's reasonable. But I think the sense that "he couldn't have done things differently" is BS.

    Want a great legacy then go to the States and get the biggest promoters to make the biggest fights against the best. It's hard to walk straigh into one of these fights though.
     
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  15. sues2nd

    sues2nd Fading into Bolivian... Full Member

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    Great post...and great points.

    Everyone who posts on here regularly knows I am a huge Calzaghe fan...have been since his performance over Eubank. I know lately with me picking/backing Hopkins on here it doesnt really show. But this whole "he fought the best he could have" is rubbish.

    There were PLENTY of great fights to be made with name fighters from SMW, as well as LHW or MW (I can think of AT LEAST 10 names that he could have fought when in turn he fought MUCH LESSER competition). He chose not to....or more accurately Warren chose not to.

    This does not exclude him from being a great fighter...he is definately a great fighter. And should and does get the respect so. But it does exclude him from the conversation of a fighter with a great resume (Im not one of these people that thinks he has a "bad resume"...but definately not a great one as well)....and as McGrain so eloquently put, it will keep you out of contention for that really BIG money fight.
     
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