Calzaghe would beat Dawson if they fought next year

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Anyone who says Calzaghe fought the same as he did 10 years ago OBVIOUSLY knows nothing about the man and are lying about seeing his early fights in the first place. For a start Calzaghe 10 years ago never used to break or fracture his hands every two minutes like he did more recently.... therefore he was knocking people out alot more.

 

That's a myth.

Sloppy Joe wasnt knocking-out anybody when he was younger..

Many of those stopages were qustionable 'Peter Manfredo' type stoppages against WBO level no-hopers.

 

Yep. You just don't only step up and fight 3 worn past peak greats over a long well-calculated career and then change your stripes and start facing prime fighters and certainly not a Chad Dawson with his size and hand speed. You fight guys in their 40s and the most worn guy with the biggest rep you can find and run out the door never looking back. When your aren't a gatekeeper but you were never really elite and astonishingly have a good record to protect you certainly aren't gonna be fighting anyone young and talented in the later half of your 30s and definitely don't have what it takes to be boxing into your 40s. Joe was basically pristine in his mid-30s (like a book hidden in an attic) and pretty stable so he wasn't gonna commit public suicide against Chad Dawson no matter how much respect he might have received for daring to be great (while getting destroyed ala Ricky Hatton).

 

this is why no one likes you

you're a pac hater and a JC fan

is ur all time fav. trainer Panama Lewis?

 

You guys repeat the ESB myth that Joe was some power puncher early in his career (or ever).

But what was he really "banging out" and in what manner?

TKOs can mean a couple different things on paper but represent a few additional things to those watching them occur (Sheika, Manfredo Jr., Woodall, & Mitchell could represent a couple different perspectives not to mention to the fans watching those fights).

And, these vaunted exhibitions, in his early pro career, of power punching or punching power/prowess are evidence of what again?


I wonder how he managed to last fifteen years going from a two-fisted banger to crippled arm puncher? Wonder which of those early pro career wars (if not all of them) did him in?

Was it drilling Paul Hanlon twice in the back of the head in the 1st round?

Was it Paul Mason slipping twice before getting knocked down legitmately by a punch before the ref abruptly called the fight in the 1st round with Mason competely fine?

Was it the long one round battle with the completely shot Frank Minton who came in 6-16 in his last 22 before facing young Joe (and then went 2-10 afterwards)?

Maybe it was the one round contest with that fat bum Robert Curry and his 33 losses?

Perhaps the work leading to the TKO in the 4th of Nick Manners in which Manners was completely unhurt and the ref stopped the fight anyway?

Or, the TKO in the 1st against Guy Stanford (who had lost 11 of 13 before the fight and another 9 of 10 after) in which Joe was allowed to hold and punch repeatedly and then the ref stopped it early - to Stanford's surprise - at being able to call it a night (and collect a check) for so little effort?

Could it have been the six minutes of sparring that ended with the TKO at the end of the 2nd when fat/overweight bum Warren Stowe just decided to quit on his stool?

Maybe the action before the bull**** ref stoppage in the 2nd round for a TKO of fat and horrible (by then) Pat Lawlor?

Can't ignore the test provided by Carlos Christie in that 2nd round TKO (of course, he had already been KO'd by Delaney, Catley, and Starie).

Just a random list, don't mean to slight those other TKOs against Spencer Alton, Martin Rosamond, Darren Littlewood, Karl Barwise, Mark Lee Dawson, Trevor Ambrose, Tyrone Jackson, Stephen Wilson, Anthony Brooks, Tyler Hughes, & Luciano Torres (all of which could invite similar color to emphasize the modesty of the accomplishment).

There is always a few on ESB who want to keep feeding the line that Joe was some devastating puncher (before his hand problems - as he TKOd/KOd no one of merit or no one of merit legitimately over the rest or remainder of his career) based upon his pre-Eubank fights.

Isn't it really the case that Joe was just more talented, athletic, and skilled then the collection of old men, bums, old bums, fat guys, and old fat guys that make up 95% of those first twenty-two fights of which he got 19 TKOs and the only 2 KOs of his entire career?

Most everyone begins their career against soft touches and some guys rattle off a nice list of KOs/TKOs. In Joe's case, why isn't it obvious (as it sure seems evident to me) that this accomplishment was a complete and absolute product of the so-called competition he faced? This achievement can't be used to substantiate what "he was" before his hand problems in defending his standing vis-a-vis the greatest in boxing's history. This is merely evidence (at the most generous) of being more talented than the local or regional level talent he faced (and the couple foreign phone-it-ins notwithstanding).


Joe's 70% KO ratio you cite is far less than impressive under the microscope. Joe has a pathetic TKO (forget about KO) ratio and ZERO against anyone decent or without controversy. That is Sven Ottke territory.

 

Excellent post.

But Calzaghe didn't take this fight even when he was on top of the world and in great shape after (and before) the Jones win, so it will never happen.

 

why on earth continue posting this **** arent there enough things happening of interest between live game guys who are active and want challenges. Let the **** rest and move on please.

 

If Calzaghe's power is so useless, why has NOT ONE of his opponents walked through him? Why is it that it's nearly always Calzaghe's opponent against the ropes, not Joe.

He punches hard enough, fast enough and at the right angles to keep any opponent honest - he may not be a banger anymore - but that's more to his credit that no one has still exploited him for it and he continues to win.

 

Exactly.... they can't actually answer that one without resorting to insults and bitching. Just jealousy.:-(

I feel sorry for the Joe haters out there... I really do.:hi:

 

No chance in hell. :nono

 

Well done on your boxrec skills :roll:

Cazlaghe obviously had power if he put down iron chinned Eubank...oh you forgot to mention that.

 

Pure ***** hater.