if campbell wins, i really would like to see him against pac for a unification. Its the most meaningful fight out there
I don't think he even needs to unify with Pac. He could beat the Casamayor/JMM winner and still take fighter of the year, and would be the legitimate undisputed champ that way (Casa is still lineal and Ring, and the only reason David Diaz ever got a belt in the first place is because Casa was wrongly stripped). In any case, that would be beating 3 top 20 p4p fighters in the same year, which would make him a shoo-in for fighter of the year. All that said, I'll be surprised if Nate beats Guzman. He's had trouble with speedy guys in the past, and Guzman runs enough that he won't be able to corner and bully him. I'm guessing it will end up looking a lot like Guzman-Soto.
He's really tall. Anyone who says they know anything else about him at this point who doesn't live in South Africa is lying. Nobody knows squat about this guy. I'm sure some tapes will start making their way around the circuit in a month or two.
How can you say he was wrongly stripped? When Casa signed to fight Corrales, he signed an agreement that the winner would fight David Diaz next, because a WBC mandatory was overdue. After winning the fight, Casamayor then told the WBC that no, he wouldnt fight Diaz "because there was no money in it", and instead was pursuing a fight with Freitas. So why was the WBC wrong to strip him, when he backed out of his agreement to fight the mandatory challenger next?
You have your facts all screwed up. They stripped him before he even signed to fight (obviously, because a fight never got signed), and his time limit hadn't run out yet (i.e. Diaz wasn't overdue - he was just due, and the defense wouldn't have been overdue for a few more months). If they had let the whole thing play out, he would have ended up fighting Diaz anyway, since he couldn't work out a deal with Freitas. Diaz didn't even become the mandatory until after the Casa-Corrales fight was already signed, so it can't possibly be that he signed an agreement to fight Diaz before making the fight, as you say above. The WBC stripped him before they even set a purse bid or anything like that, which is just flat wrong. The WBC circumvented their own rules when they stripped Casamayor. Not only that, but the WBC even admitted they were wrong for stripping Casamayor when they gave him an interim belt without so much as even having him fight for it. Finally, even if what you say is true and there was a contract, it's still not a violation of the contract to say that you're going to violate the contract in the future.
Great attitude from Campbell. I think the whole "fighter makes the belt" argument is normally an excuse for someone to drop a belt & avoid a mandatory. Like them or not our sport needs official rankings & the alphabets are the only vehicle to provide that. Good luck to Campbell, hope he gets a shot at Pacman.
No, you are wrong. Diaz became the mando when he beat Santa Cruz in Aug of 06. Casa-Corrales didnt happen until October of 06. Believe me, since Nate moved up to 135 in late 2005, my full time job has been to monitor what goes on in the lightweight division. And after the Casa-Corrales fight when the WBC instructed Casa to begin negotiations with Diaz, Casa informed them that he would not fight Diaz. When you inform a sanctioning body that you will not fight your mandatory, they do not have to wait for you to actually sign to fight someone else. Your notice of intent is enough to warrant stripping you. This isnt like a breach of contract lawsuit, where certain actions are predicate requirements. His intent was in fact enough to warrant the stripping. And yes, a mandatory defense was overdue. It had been due since right after Corrales-Castillo 1. And why the WBC appointed Casa as an "interim" champ after all that nonsense is still a mystery to me. It is totally against their rules and regulations. But the WBC has an "out" in that they have a rule that lets the board of governors overrule any existing rule if they feel it is "in the best interests of boxing". lol. It's only fitting though that after they gave Casa that break, and bent over backwards for him, that he stuck it to them again when he refused the WBC ordered Santa Cruz rematch, and they had to strip him of the interim title. Some people never learn......lol
You're my new favorite poster. I've gotten tons of crap for defending the sanctioning bodies. I've been able to succesfully defend many of their actions. However, the Casa stipping always stumped me as I could never get a concrete answer as to why he was stripped.
The boxing world is at Arum's mercy. Will he let Pacquiao fight Campbell? Will he let Pavlik fight Abraham? Let's hope so.
im starting to really like nate.... though this means he has to pay 3 differant sanctioning fees right? god almighty this sport is corrupt.
I fail to see how paying 3 sanctioning fees is corrupt. He's representing 3 organizations. Sanctioning fees are how they generate revenue, it's what allows them to operate.