Can Alex Arthur be called a world champ?

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  1. blueseaofibrox

    blueseaofibrox Member Full Member

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    Alex won the interim title and was handed the full title because the then champ moved up in weight.
    Alex boxed Cook for the full title and lost on points, so at no point in time did Alex ever hold the WBO belt above his head or win a world title fight
    What people’s thoughts
     
  2. Smudge_

    Smudge_ Cleared To Fight Full Member

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    Technically, yes, he can, and that's part of the problem with boxing. No disrespect to Arthur, but he wasn't a world champion in the true sense, in my eyes anyway.
     
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  3. Dragon Punch

    Dragon Punch Boxing Addict Full Member

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    If the record books says he is a Champ, than I guess he was. I don’t remember him being one and I wasn’t really a fan of his and I certainly don’t like the circumstances of how Arthur “won” the belt, but if fighters like Crolla and Terry Flanagan are considered former Champions than there is no reason why he shouldn’t either.
     
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  4. Smudge_

    Smudge_ Cleared To Fight Full Member

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    In Crolla's defence, at least he beat a world champion for his title.
     
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  5. Journey Man

    Journey Man Journeyman always. Full Member

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    The reason Crolla and Flanagan are considered former Champions is because they have both won world title fights.

    To keep on topic, I don't consider Alex Arthur to have been a world champion for the above criteria alone. He had the title, but I don't think it's fair that someone can be a champion when they've never won or defended the belt they held.

    A similar example would be Lee Haskins, who was promoted to champion when his opponent didn't make weight. However, Haskins went on to defend the title twice, so I would consider him to have been a genuine world champion.
     
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  6. moog

    moog Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Totally agree on all the above points, it's how I see it. Nicky Cook who beat him was a low level world champion. I think Alex never helped himself by moving trainer so much and not moving up in weight earlier. I also think though he was good in his prime he was not as good as he perceived. I think if he stayed under Peter Harrison & Billy Nelson's tuataledge he would have had a better career.
     
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  7. Hattonmad

    Hattonmad Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I think you have to win at least one fight with a legitimate belt on the line to be considered a world champion. That's my own critetia anyway. The legitimate belts being WBA super, WBO, IBF and WBC.
     
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  8. ashishwarrior

    ashishwarrior Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Not imo
    At least he didn't hand over cash for his strap like strum
    Iirc alex got his through a politely penned letter or have i dreamt that?
    can't remenber
     
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  9. BigStiffIdiot

    BigStiffIdiot Safer than Adam Smith's laptop password. Full Member

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    As most have pointed out, until you have won a world title fight where the fulls trap is on the line you aren't a legit world champion in my eyes.
     
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  10. Jurgen

    Jurgen Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Never a World Champion and he should be red faced accepting being introduced on TV as a World Champion having never won a World Title in the ring and being pumped by the mighty Nicola Cook in his first defence.

    He was also far from 'Amazing'.
     
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  11. im sparticus

    im sparticus To The Upmost Full Member

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    Technically AAA was a world champ.
    To anyone who knows about boxing, he wasnt.
     
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  12. Injin Chi

    Injin Chi Member Full Member

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    Arthur was not a "lineal" champion but are we only counting champions if they are "the man who beat the man"?
    In Arthur's case Guzman moved up because he couldn't make weight and he vacated.
    When that happens are we to no longer have a proper champion?
    Arthur was WBO champion - it's in the book - end of.
     
  13. CutThroatFade

    CutThroatFade Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    If David Price had somehow landed a shot against Charles Martin after Martin won the vacant IBF title would that make his title reign anymore "legitimate" than Arthur's? Beating a **** champion, one of the worst ever Heavyweight world champions who himself won a vacant belt...

    Just making the point that beating a champion doesn't necessarily mean someone has done more to become champion than someone who won the strap in Arthur's circumstances.

    Real fans can tell the difference between technical world champions and elite, true to the word world champions anyway.
     
  14. Jurgen

    Jurgen Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Two fighters should fight for the vacated title - never a World Champion
     
  15. TBooze

    TBooze Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Legitimate and WBA, WBO, IBF and WBC in the same sentence is at least a paradox!
     
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