Can I see your MW list? Top 10, 15, 20, whatever?

So what do you make of his two wins over Greb? Greb was past his peak, but is there serious reason to believe that he is further past his peak than when he beat Mickey Walker?

As to Walker, Flowers seems to have been robbed against him - I'm not in the habit of changing judges decisions in retrospect with no film, but doesn't the scandal at least show that Flowers hung with Walker? That would be a very special fighter, no?

I understand your concerns regarding the film, but you DO have Greb at two...Williams beat Lytell, Charley Burley, beat Lloyd Marshall whilst weighing in at the 160lb limit, with his opponent over that limit (Great win), Jack Chase, has a stack of other great wins....I think he warrants inclusion, personally.

Fitz at #1 is kooky, but I kind of like it. How highly do you rate Dempsey, who he wrestled the title from?

He beat 3 MW champions, a huge raft of contenders and punchers, proved his chin and generalship moving up to LHW way past his prime, I think you should consider taking another look at Tiger, he's a lock for a 20, possibly should be considered for the 10. A great champion.


Thanks for putting up 20.

 

I don't think that Hopkins has a resume which can be compared to LaMotta, for sure, but Hopkins has a huge string of defences, and shut down the division during his tenure. He does also have some really good wins, including Glen Johnson and Tito Trinidad.

Plus, both are on film and Hopkins looks far and away the better fighter.

 

I think Tommy Ryan would be on my 20, sure. I don't think he would make a 10. I rate Ryan high, high, pound for pound, anyway.

I accept the points made generally about Flowers, but what I'm saying is, "not that good"? (A quote from Mendoza's post). It seems unlikely to me that a fighter fitting this description beats Greb and gives Mickey so much trouble, is all.

 

Nice, you've included Langford, why did you pick out #15 for him?

Tiger beat multiple MW champions and has multiple defences as well as a lot of good wins over very good contenders - so i'd like to hear a little bit about why Jones and Leonard are above him?

Cerdan in the top 10, you like him better than Flowers for that spot?

 

You got Tiger very high - is that a level of opposition pick? And reliant on Fullmer's ranking? You got him higher than anyone on the board, I think, maybe explain that one to us? It does me no good to see him above Burley, I admit!

 

Yeah, Tiger's competition was at a consistantly high standard...he really seems to have split the board though, more than I thought he would, you got some guys with him inside the ten, you got some who don't think he should be in the twenty...I think when I come to do a list he'll probably be just outside the 10, which is honestly where I expected most people to place him...

 

I do hear that, but Flowers beat Greb less than a year after Greb beat Walker. He also gave Walker terribel trouble. I'm unsure as to why this should mean Flowers is anything other than a fighter of the highest calibre.

Did anything happen with Greb in the interceeding months? Is there reason to believe he was more "past prime" for Flowers than for Walker, for example?

For anyone, not just McVey.