ok guys thanks for that - as i thought about 65-70% of you think Berto wins this - which is about the same percentage as my inner turmoil. i checked the book last night and ortiz has come in to paying $4.25 for $1 i think i'll place $250 on him to win so i get a grand back. its probably throwing the money away but i won just over 200 on the mundine fight the other night so i feel i'll only be giving their money back plus $50 of mine