Can Pacquiao become the GOAT?

This fight just doesn't change things much. More of a case probably Thurman wasn't as great as everyone was saying. And Pac was the slight favorite anyway… You can't count this fight and not SIGINIFICANTLY count the Pac May fight A Lot more …. So for those who wrote off the Pac May fight .. Logic dictates that you have to write this off as well

 

Thurman isnt really that good tho.

 

Nothing has changed in my rankings of him. More of a indictment of how bad the fighters are in today's game when a professional "World Champion" class fighter like Thurman a natural Welter/super welter can't defeat a old natural featherweight fighting some 25 lbs and some 10 -15 yrs beyond his prime. It's a another sad reality check for the fighters in today's game. The Joshua and Wilder losses, now the Thurman loss shows how overrated the World class fighters are today.

 

The current era of boxing is a joke. The heavyweight division is the worse. But even at lighter weight classes the skill and talent has got worse in the last 15 plus years. Manny Pac beating Thurman doesn't prove how great Manny "PED" Pac is. It shows how bad Keith Thurman is. There are so many belts now days that it seems everybody has one. Thurman is slow, he isn't a hard puncher despite his KO percentage. The moment Thurman stepped up he stopped knocking guys out.

Manny Pac's whole career was basically him getting beat early on, him getting on steroids, him beating guys like Marco Antonio Barerra, Shane Mosely, Ricky Hatton, Miguel Cotto, Antonio Margarito and others after they were already easily beaten by other fighters. Even when people say but he won titles in this many weight classes so that mean something right. No as I typed there are so many belts now days. Also the higher weight class you start at the less weight classes you can win belts at. If you start off as a heavyweight and win the title there you aren't going to lose weight just to win titles at lower weight classes.

Manny Pac is overrated and isn't even the best fighter during his own era. Floyd Mayweather was always better than he was. If Shane Mosely was in his prime he would of beat him. Most people think Juan Marquez beat him each time they fought.

 

nowhere near but not that far off.

 

Pac man deserves as much credit for this as Duran does for beating Iran Barkley

 

I could see it happening, Crawford strikes me as an excellent technician with decent physical attributes, but not that imposing. Pac brings such an unorthodox style mixed with good and speed and excellent power. Spence on the other hand is a bit of a freak athlete, and I don’t think Pac could overcome the physical differences

 

He didn't lose that badly.

Mayweather didn't do much, it's just that Manny did less. The fight was a dud and one of the few fights of Manny's that wasn't entertaining. People saying it was some sort of Mayweather masterclass are talking through their hat. The Corrales/Gatti/Canelo fights were master classes by Floyd, this was too pedestrian (by both fighters) to rank as such.

 

Manny was hurt in the Floyd fight

If manny unifies the titles at 147 you have to seriously consider him the GOAT

 

Don't think anyone disputes that Ray was a better WW than Pac. Pac's case rests more on that he is a former FW champion who currently is the oldest fighter ever to hold a title at WW. That is an absolutely astonishing achievement.

 

Again, if Pac does unify it is more of a testament of these guys aren't really that great. They are not even fighting each other( Thurman, Crawford, Spence ) …So what do we have to base anything on if they won't even step up in competition. It is impossible for Manny to be the GOAT, because he lost to Floyd which puts Floyd higher than Manny if people are getting some sort of h@rd on over this Pac win over Thurman

 

He also lost to Morales and Marquez and Sungsurat and Torrecampo.
That doesn't mean they are all higher than him.

Duran lost BADLY to Hearns, but few people regard Hearns as higher than Duran.

You're right, Thurman is nothing great, but still a good win over a top 5 welter that adds to Pacquaio's resume. Just another good win on top of many.

 

True, But that's what happens when you are an extremely active fighter and have a resume like Pacs and are fighting the best when they are at their best as well.. Can't think of a resume better than Pac's of the top of my head since the 80's

 

Floyd started at a higher weight than Manny, fought lesser opposition and generally had the chips stacked in his favour when he fought (later in his career that is).

Both absolutely great but Manny's career is legendary whereas Floyd's is a very great career. There's a difference.

 

Spot on