Canelo Alvarez, dont belive the hype?

First off you're a god damn idiot for comparing Ray Leonard and Ali to boring ass Mayweather/Chad Dawson/Hopkins.

Boxing hasn't gotten less intelligent, American boxing has gotten boring because black American fighters are now safety first hustlers.

You should go watch Ali vs Frazier I or III and Ray Leonard vs Duran I or against Hagler so u can see how black Americans used to be exciting at the upper echelons.

You sound bitter because black American fighters get no love from nobody not even their own people.

 

They are all slick African American fighters that use intelligence to win. Mayweather has had many exciting fights. You must not watch alot of boxing or know enough about his career. Except for Dawson whos dumb as rocks.

Black fighters have always placed and emphasis on skill, defense and orthodox boxing. Its not my problem you dont have the intelligence to appreciate a fighter like Floyd Mayweather, Roy Jones Jr or Pernell Whitaker and would instead prefer head first brawlers. Of course its why Jack Dempsey didnt want to fight Jack Johnson. And why African Americans have dominated boxing over the last 70 years.

Frazier made Ali fight, and he was past his prime in all 3 fights. If Ali was fighitng a Margarito or Saul Alvarez level fighter he dances all night easy. Ray Leonard learned his lesson after the first Duran fight, and the Hagler fighter certainly wasnt exciting.

Dawson stood toe to toe with Glen Johnson. There is a reason BErnard Hopkins was once known as the executioner, only when he reached his late 30's did he develop his current style and its why he's still so successful. Floyds gone toe to toe with Corley, Chavez, jose luis castillo and Emmanuel Augustus, infact in Floyds younger days when he was bigger then his opposition, not smaller, he'd regularly trade blows and still rarely get hit because of his skill.

The most popular boxer in the world today, atleast the highest earner, is Floyd Mayweather, who has the number 1 and number 2 highest grossing PPV's in boxing history outside heavyweight, and at a time when boxing is not even mainstream.

There is nothing to be bitter about frankly.

 

Ali and Leonard used their intelligence but they had no problem getting in there when the going called for it.

What great fights has Mayweather had? Only legitimately exciting back and fourth fight was against Agustus and even Mosley was falling asleep watching it on 24/7. His fight against N'dou was alright but it was a huge mismatch, the fight where he really went for it was against Gatti and Manfredy who were sub par competition.

That's fine but boxing is about entertainment, this thread is about Canelo not being a supreme talent. I agree he's not but I pointed out I would rather watch him then so many talented boring as **** so called "Great" fighters.

And yes I do appreciate the great talents but for the most part they don't put butts in seats, we need fighters who are willing to put it on the line to get the ratings and get the gates. People are tired of safety first divas who are more entertaining when trash talking then in the fight.

It takes 2 to tango, Frazier went at him but Ali had it in his mind that he could beat Frazier toe to toe. That's why the fight was so great, he probably figured out he should box him later but he was already too tired. The last fight he just thought Frazier had nothing left so he stood again toe to toe.


Leonard fought Duran toe to toe and did very well but figured fighting on the outside would be better, the fight was still close when Duran quit. I had Leonard by 2 points ahead but Duran was not being dominated, only he knows why he disgracefully quit.

And yes the Leonard vs Hagler fight was very exciting when compared to Mosley vs Mayweather or Dawson vs Tarver I, II.

Floyd went toe to toe with Castillo? That never happened, he outfought him from the outside then Castillo would bull in and **** his body while Floyd covered up. And fighting on the inside does not equal toe to toe, yes he stood in front of some fighters but toe to toe is Holyfield vs. Bowe, Ali vs Frazier I.

Floyd Mayweather has become a huge star because he knows how to market himself, he's probably the best at it since Ali in that regard. Like I said earlier though he's the exception not the norm, American black fighters better get exciting because no promoter wants to promote them any more. Look at top rank the only black fighters they have are the Peterson brothers.

If the HBO money dries up and they stop giving away their money to guys like Berto and Dawson who can't sell 1k tickets in their home town then there will be a problem.

 

Neither does Mayweather, Dawson(he's just dumb and lacks boxing instincts) or Hopkins, if you actually watched any boxing and knew about their careers. But like Ali and Leonard if they didnt have to mix it up they dont. Ali was bigger, stronger, and faster then all of the competition he faced, but he prefered to box from the outside using his jab and didnt throw KO shots until he knew he opponent was ready to go.

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Sorry Mayweather doesnt have back and forth fights. He's too good. He has walked down Judah, Mosley, Mitchell and several other fighters, should he just let himself get hit? Mayweather stood within a few inches of Mosley his who still couldnt hit him cleanly. This is somehow Mayweathers fault that he's too good, to skilled in the sweet science that even boxing on the inside he's nearly impossible to hit. He should somehow stop being so talented so those who watch bum fights on youtube can be excited?

Boxing popularity has nothing to do with face first brawlers. Margarito vs Cotto did 600,000. Mayweather vs Juan Manuel Marquez did 1.2 million. In no way is having more fighters like Alvarez going to bring boxing back to mainstream. I could see an offensive juggernaut like Pacquiao who is masterful in his offensive capabilities, but not some slow plodder with a shotty defense. We've had millions of those and few have earned the big bucks. The most profitable fighters of the last 30 years were Mayweather, Oscar, Tyson and Sugar Ray Leonard. Only Tyson was a face first brawler. But he was still incredible offensively, a great jab and underrated defense. Not a Saul alvarez or Antonio Margarito.

Utter nonsense. By the 3rd fight, Ali's legs were gone. If Ali could have danced around Frazier he could have. Ali was not the type of guy who cared about going toe to toe. He didnt even go toe to toe with floyd patterson or archie moore. He could have taken out both early, but softened em up with the jab and then finished.

He lost then figured boxing would be better. :nut

He quite because he had a stomach ailment and didnt want to chase Leonard around the ring all night. Blame Leonard for not giving him a rematch when both were still prime.

How was it exciting? Hagler following Leonard around the ring, Leonard show boating, landing a pitty pat flurry then jumping across the other side of the ring rinse and repeat.

See above.

Going toe to toe is standing toe to toe. Mayweathers not gonna let himself get hit. He's gonna role and parry punches, and then counter punch. And to anyone who loves the sweet science its about as exciting as the sport can get. Again maybe you should switch sports?

Timothy Bradley, Kirkland, Alexander, Ward, Dirrell, Paul Williams all exciting young black fighters with bright futures.

Your premise is flawed anyway. Shane Mosley has been an action packed fighter for most of his career never got the big bucks. Again has nothing to do with how "exciting" your style is. If you continue winning you are gonna get looked at regardless.

And thats why their cards are the biggest jokes in boxing. Everyone knows Top Rank only fights their fighters against other in house fighters. As to why Arum never put Margarito in with Paul williams for a second time or why he didnt put Cotto in against Paul Williams. Has nothing to do with marketing or excitement just the fear of being beat up by a true black champion. Then they say that their fighters are the best. Oops Mosley black fighter beats the **** out of Margarito. Ended that dream.

 

Naturally gifted phenomenons easily get people's attention because they 'wow' from day1, while most have problems noticing the diamond in the rough. Yes, Alvarez is no superhuman Roy who just had to learn hooking and the world was his, or superfast DLH, who was winning ever since he laced 'em up at 4, but it doesn't mean Canelo won't develop into a top fighter.

Alvarez is the Cotto-type talent with more substance than style due to just above average speed and reflexes, but he makes it up with timing, accuracy, ring smarts, physical tools and impressive shot selection. He is BOXING. And he is developing the sport in front of our eyes, and at just 20, he looks pretty damn good. And he definitely doesn't need the Golden Boy hype machine, he was drawing dozens of millions of viewers before he signed and DLH only had to spread the word 'Canelo' in LA, and it was a sellout. Sure, like with Cotto, speedy slicksters will be his kryptonite, but think the Judah fight to see how skills can overcome natural gifts.

 

No big hitters? He went toe-to-toe with Joel Julio.

 

:-(

 

Agree. There is, amongst fans, always a bit of knee jerk reaction to great performances though, not by me, but Boxing fans in general, they seem to go from one extreme to another.

I told everyone that i did not see what other people saw in Devon Alexander, that he was a good fighter, just no where near! as good as people were making him to be, he underperforms against Kotelnik, suddenly his stock goes through the floor, thats the problem with fans, there is no middle ground with them, its whoever is flavour of the month.

I do think Rigondeaux looks an excellent prospect though.

 

Leonard wasn't a slickster. He had great movement but he didn't fight as a slick fighter, unlike Benitez. And it was his and Ali's willingness to get into fights which made them stars.

So it's more like 1/4.

Like Devon Alexander?

 

He's just jealous.

 

Canelo is popular because he looks white:deal...and mexicans are hard-up for a hero:yep

 

The idea that Jack Dempsey ducked Johnson is an absolute joke. I don't even know if you mean Johnson or someone else because that fight would be incredibly one-sided, when it was possible. Johnson made a bit of noise after Dempsey beat Willard but by that point, he was shot. Dempsey would have destroyed him in a couple of rounds. That fight would be as competitive as Tyson vs. either Klitschko in 2011. A complete mismatch.

There's lots wrong with that post, especially the rose tinted view of black Americans, but this idea that Dempsey avoided Johnson is just stupid.

 

:deal

 

Boxing isn't boring because of Black fighters you jealous hearted little mexican.

The Klit Bros aren't Black and they are boring as hell....but....I bet you love them...because they're white.

You ARE bitter because the people you despise....have and will....create more boxing greats than your people can ever imagine.rasta

 

Rose tinted view of Black Americans:nut

STFU

Whatever that **** is you're smoking you should put it down and let it go out.:rofl


You British cocksuckers fawn over a piece of trash like Joe Calzhage...ya'll have a **** tinted view.