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Canelo Alvarez is NOT beating Austin Trout

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Dunks said: ↑

How can I let a 22-year-old kid, who just got into the sport of boxing, give me an ultimatum.. Man, his red-head, freckle-faced ass better just sit back and wait in line. If I feel like choosing him, Ill choose him.---- Floyd Mayweather

Floyd was doing a million ppvs before canelo and doesnt need this guy who hasnt even beat a top guy in his weight class to sell PPVs.

Mosley-Mayweather did 1.5 ppvs and canelo wasnt even on the card

and I thought Canelo was popular and a cash cow....he should be able to get exposure on his showtime card by himself right?

Canelo told Mayweather that unless he agrees to fight him in September then he wont fight on his undercard on May 4th. What was amusing about it is that Canelo has never head-lined his own pay-per-view show, and has spent much of his time as the WBC junior middleweight champion either fighting welterweights or blown up welterweights instead of quality 154 pound fighters.

Look at the fighters Canelo has beaten in the last two years: Matthew Hatton, Ryan Rhodes, Alfonso Gomez, Shane Mosley [41 yrs old], and Kermit Cintron. Canelo hasnt faced the quality in the junior middleweight division, yet here he is giving Mayweather an ultimatum.
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Awweee :cry:

LACMEXAME, Mar 26, 2013

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Golden Boy 360 said: ↑

damn shame this fight isn't on the Mayweather-Guerrero undercard. Canelo and Trout would have had so much exposure.
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why on earth would anyone want this fight to be on the undercard of a ppv when its going to be on showtime...for free?

imo, the trout/canelo fight is more worthy of ppv than the guerrero/floyd fight.

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Quincy K said: ↑

why on earth would anyone want this fight to be on the undercard of a ppv when its going to be on showtime...for free?

imo, the trout/canelo fight is more worthy of ppv than the guerrero/floyd fight.
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At least there is a serious debate on the outcome of this fight.

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Hermit said: ↑

At least there is a serious debate on the outcome of this fight.
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agreed.

good luck to the people that are making a play on this fight as i have no idea how its going to go.

i wouldnt be suprised me to see canelo win in the same manner as chavez jr. against andy lee or trout win in the same manner as hopkins against tito.

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Dunks said: ↑

How can I let a 22-year-old kid, who just got into the sport of boxing, give me an ultimatum.. Man, his red-head, freckle-faced ass better just sit back and wait in line. If I feel like choosing him, Ill choose him.---- Floyd Mayweather

Floyd was doing a million ppvs before canelo and doesnt need this guy who hasnt even beat a top guy in his weight class to sell PPVs.

Mosley-Mayweather did 1.5 ppvs and canelo wasnt even on the card

and I thought Canelo was popular and a cash cow....he should be able to get exposure on his showtime card by himself right?

Canelo told Mayweather that unless he agrees to fight him in September then he wont fight on his undercard on May 4th. What was amusing about it is that Canelo has never head-lined his own pay-per-view show, and has spent much of his time as the WBC junior middleweight champion either fighting welterweights or blown up welterweights instead of quality 154 pound fighters.

Look at the fighters Canelo has beaten in the last two years: Matthew Hatton, Ryan Rhodes, Alfonso Gomez, Shane Mosley [41 yrs old], and Kermit Cintron. Canelo hasnt faced the quality in the junior middleweight division, yet here he is giving Mayweather an ultimatum.
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the quality of canelos prior opponents does not matter. team canelo knew that a trout fight is desrving of its own headline and if he were to fight on the floyd undercard he should be rightfully compensated for it.

nothing wrong for floyd to try and take advantage of both canelo and trout to bolster his ratings.

and theres nothing wrong for canelo to make a trout fight on his own and not be taken advantage of by floyd.

mayweather wouldve been dumb to give canelo(or anyone for that matter) any guarantees when financially hell be fine without having to do so.

basic business.

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Good read here. Trout and his team have been studying Canelo very very closely.

http://nodoubt.fighthype.com/immers...anelo/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook

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bballchump11 said: ↑

Good read here. Trout and his team have been studying Canelo very very closely.

http://nodoubt.fighthype.com/immers...anelo/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook
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Trout sounding like Sun Tzu in that interview. :yep:hey

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bballchump11 said: ↑

Unless his boys at GBP pulls some strings or if Canelo's power is underrated/Trout's toughness overrated.

First I must say that I applaud Canelo for taking this fight and he deserves tons of props. I'd been perfectly ok if he fought, Lara, Kirkland or Angulo in April or May. But he decided to take the best fight available to him in Trout and he deserves credit. But there is a reason why Schaefer and the top guys on GBP didn't want this fight to happen. "Right now there are four names that we are looking at and it's an open secret that Canelo's first choice is Austin Trout. It is an extremely, in my opinion, extremely dangerous fight." - Schaefer.

The main things that make me confident in Trout are his movement, workrate and stamina. He also has other good tools like his jab, defense, body attack and size. Canelo's main tools his his strength, combination punching, handspeed, straight right, body attack as well, and punching power.

Canelo has good tools to work with against Trout, but I feel like most of it will be neutralized. This will be a very competitive fight in the first few rounds, but Trout is going to take over around the mid rounds and win the fight. There's a good chance, Trout may sweep the last 4 to 5 rounds of the fight. Canelo's stamina is just very, very suspect. He's lucky he's been fighting a lot of opponents who will fight at his pace. Canelo likes to wait, wait, wait and then blast off a combination. Then repeat this process unless he has you hurt. In between his combinations, he'll jab some and take small steps while trying to counter you here or there.

If it's later in the fight, you'll see occurrences like this happening. Just watch rounds 6, 7 and 9
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You'll notice Rhodes has his most success as a southpaw and not staying still. Then round 9 especially exemplifies my biggest issues with Canelo, his stamina.

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yes that is Light Welterweight, Josesito Lopez punching Canelo on the ropes, because Canelo needed another breather

Then another thing these rounds highlight is Canelo's stationary feet. If you notice, he only tees off on his opponents when they are staying still. Give him a moving target, and we got a different fight. You can even look at the Alfonso Gomez fight as an example. Gomez only gets caught when he decides to stop moving or if he gets caught with a counter coming in http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9s6amHSyZk

As we know with Trout he's not gonna stand in one spot. Trout is going to be moving laterally, giving Canelo angles and if against ropes will have good head movement or tie up. Canelo is like that one guy in the gym he only does heavybag work and hits it all day standing in one spot.

So you combine all these things, you find a stylistic nightmare in Trout. Who will consistently pump out his jab (who averages more jabs than anybody in the division). Moves constantly, is a southpaw and works for ALL 3 MINUTES of a round. Canelo can't do his usual wait, wait, fire pace. When he wants to box and try to counter Trout, Trout will be using his reach and jab to box with him while avoiding counters

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When Canelo wants to fire off his combinations, Trout will be moving or he'll tie up. Then when Canelo wants to rest, Trout won't be letting him rest. He'll be punching and working and making sure to use his left hand downstairs to sap more energy out of Canelo. He can fight go backwards and taking small steps backwards and move at angles offensively and defensively to expose Canelo's lack of footspeed. This gif explains it all. Trout comes in lands a combination upstairs and downstairs and gets out all a whole different angle while avoiding the counter.

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I know the fight was boring, but go back and watch Trout vs Delvin Rodriguez to see to his use of his feet and how often he lands his left downstairs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xU5u4zigcN4

Trout isn't this monster who should be top p4p up there with Ward. He's just a very good fighter with the right tools to be Canelo. This is a guy who beat a Canadian in Canada, Alvarez's own brother in Mexico and Miguel Cotto in New York. He's not afraid and uncomfortable in unfavorable environments. Expect to see another upset in April.
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Now that's what I call.... proper.

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Coming off his stunningly accurate prediction last Saturday will the bballchump11 be able to keep his momentum going?

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thawk888 said: ↑

Trout sounding like Sun Tzu in that interview. :yep:hey
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Seriously. That's impressive. He should have a talk with Nonito lol.

KillSomething, Apr 15, 2013

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just read the journal post

Trout is obsessed with schooling Alvarez

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Great read.

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Alvarez is much stronger than Cotto was at 154. We have to keep that in mind.

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Trout is gonna school Alvarez! No doubt, but if Alvarez win, then props to him

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This thread is a gold mine atsch:rofl

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