Canelo Bivol rounds 1-4 - "close fight" comprehensively debunked debunked

Wow this is getting pretty crazy here. I'll defer to @ellerbe on these claims.

So to review, we have Q claiming that Canelo's head "jolted" back from a love tap because that's what he sees from the DAZN angle, despite the fact that we clearly see on this angle that no such head jolt occurred :

https://i.imgur.com/bOWdsW6.mp4

And to make matters worse, we have @exocet76 refusing to address the "jolting" claim because he knows even he can't back Q on that after seeing it from the elevated side angle, but in an effort to find something to disagree with me on, now claims that this elevated angle shows the jab clearly landing, an idea that ellerbe has previously denied. Yikes.

 

You see Q this is what happens when someone talks out of there arse over time it get's broken down because they can't defend such a weak position. Shadow is persistant but comes from a flawed premise (fallacy) so he hopes that you give up in frustration so he can claim a hollow victory and that he was right all along. He will spin. reframe. use fallacies and just straight up tell lies. He will however break and will gave nowhere to go. You only have to see with this conversatiom starting with 7-5 was a fair score. the judges were right and it was a close fight.
That was then reframed as the judges were right on the first 4 rounds that Canelo won. Then again another goal post shift to Canelo winning the first round. To now trying to get two non punches as scoring shot's. Shadow is already lost the war on this he's just too deluded and invested to realise it yet.

 

@DoubleJab666 can you answer one question. And this is really important.

Did this jab by Bivol :

https://i.imgur.com/bOWdsW6.mp4

make Canelo's head "jolt back"? Yes or no.

 

It's irrelevant Shadow. the clip you provided shoes it being a scoring jab. you scored an own goal pal.
Semantics don't mean anything when we are purely deciding on whether punches are scoring or not.
The angle you provided is a clear scoring punch.
Also you have no room to talk at all as you used hyperbole in describing the two GIF's you provided like "bounced" off his head and "moved Bivol back" so you literally need to pipe down because you exaggerated far worse.

 

You told on yourself when you said that Bivol's love tap "jolts" Canelo's head back. This is a glaring error because we can all plainly see from the "other" angle that no head jolt back occurred. The fact that you thought that love tap jolted Canelo's head back tells us everything we need to know about you. And again, "cherrypicked" camera angles aren't a thing. We have 2 camera angles showing the exact same thing. A camera angle doesn't make someone's head jolt back from one angle but not the other. You have clearly overstepped your bounds and overplayed your hand on this one. Canelo's head didn't jolt back Q, we all can plainly see that from the overhead camera. That's why I posted that clip so when you started exaggerating and writing checks that your ass can't cash you'd be exposed. And that's exactly what happened. You think you saw his head jolt back in the DAZN angle because that's what you WANT to see.

 

Look you won't get that admittance I just had the saisfaction of making him quit for weeks after giving him a drubbing.
I've said several times in this thread that he lacks good faith because i know he ifnores evidence against him and oversells the weak crap he provides. It might come across like I'm a broken record but you have to hammer these points in.
As I've siad that punch made contact but the initial angle was difficult to tell as it was head on with Canelo. the other angle though it's clear as day.

 

You can't walk this one back. You stated that Canelo's head jolted back from that love tap. Now you're trying to walk it back saying his head only "moved" back because we can plainly see that it didn't jolt back from the overhead cam. It barely even connected if at all, at best it grazed his forehead as Canelo was blocking it and sweeping it aside, and you said it jolted his head back, like it landed hard. Unbelievable. Do you have any idea how ridiculous that sounds?