Canelo Bivol rounds 1-4 - "close fight" comprehensively debunked debunked

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  1. Quina74

    Quina74 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Another question you've ignored and more hypocrisy exposed. I said:
    Here we go again. More hypocrisy. You discredited Bivols hook right hand to the elbow on page 12 saying it ricocheted yet you credit every Canelo arm and shoulder shot.

    Last time I checked elbow is part of the body. This is getting real pathetic shadow. After denying clear footage/reality of a punch landing from Bivol landing you keep shifting the goalposts
     
  2. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Not only that but it would be unhuman for the judges not to be influenced by a shoulder/bicep bomb like the one at the end of Round 1. With the round on the table, in a close round with neither guy landing much clean, a round like that is won by who finishes the round strong. You got one guy coming forward, pushing the action, you got the other guy getting backed up and roughed up on the ropes. That shot landing as it did would surely cause the judges to give him the round, followed up by the uppercut after that. Total bossing and brutal heavier punching done there by Canelo at the end of Round 1 wins him the round.
     
  3. Quina74

    Quina74 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Again you've ignored what i said. And parroted yourself. You don't know what you are talking about.

    You and shadow are in echo chamber talking as if there's no one there asking. Questions. Everyone else is answering your questions and you guys are just ignoring them. You and @shadow111 are not here to debate but to fanboy.

    I'll repeated what I said because you're just ignoring it:
    "Clean" punches by Canelo in round 1
    One right hand lands as Bivols retreating.
    One desperate poking like jab after being outmanouvered followin from a missed jab and a right hand that misses (which shadow credits)
    And an uppercut.

    If you have any more clean SCORING punches from Canelo then please let me know. You're literally just saying words at this point. Bivol landed a lot more clean shots than Canelo in round 1. Canelo desperately hitting Bivols arms and shoulders (some of which were with Canelo's inside glove slaps and pulled punches) does negate Bivols work. Again, go back to page 1 and start from the discussion there because you are chiming in on discussion points that have already been debunked.
     
  4. Ducklerr

    Ducklerr Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    "Biceps bomb" is the funniest thing I've heard on this forum in some time.
     
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    divac Loyal Member Full Member

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    I think so, and apparently so did the official judges.
     
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  6. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    The judges saw what they saw, they all gave Round 1 to Canelo after the heavy attacks on Bivol at the end of the round. The shoulder/bicep bomb with Bivol on the ropes was a part of why that round was scored as it was.
     
  7. exocet76

    exocet76 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Appeal to authority fallacy.
    You have been completely wrecked Shadow.....AGAIN.
    This is what happens when you start on a false premise.
    It get's pulled apart with ease by myself.....
    So I'll keep on asking this Shadow because you are ducking for a reason.
    Do you now admit that arm punches are none scoring as per the rules?
    Yes or no is sufficient.
    If you don't answer then you conceed this and your position collapses.
    Ignore it and I will keep spamming until you vanish for a few weeks after another complete drubbing.
     
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  8. exocet76

    exocet76 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Appeal to authority fallacy you dimwit.
     
  9. exocet76

    exocet76 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Another fallacy Shadow....the judges are aware unlike you that arm punches are not scoring so it's irrelevent.
    Bivol lands far more cleaner punches end of conversation.
     
  10. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Nice framing, so if I don't agree with you, then you automatically win. Funny how that works.

    All 3 judges gave the round to Canelo, if you have issuse with that, that's your problem. I am very satisfied with the clips and analysis I've provided which have supported the judges scores of the round. As it pertains to the rules of what is considered a scoring blow, nowhere in the rules of boxing does it say that shoulder/bicep punches can't be counted as scoring blows, and you yourself said that they can count in terms of effective aggression which is a scoring criteria last time I checked. You're in a bad way with how I'm ragdolling you. Your corner should really throw in the towel on you, you're taking a lot of damage. @Quina74 you gonna let your man take this kind of punishment?
     
  11. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Oh really is that so. Why don't you prove it. (psssst you can't)

    The same judges who you say are aware that arm punches are not scoring just so happened to score the round for Canelo. And even according to you, that shoulder/bicep bomb can strengthen effective aggression which is a part of the scoring. So yeah clearly that shot can be "scored" even in your funny little mind.
     
  12. exocet76

    exocet76 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It isn't framing you fanny when it's a provable and observed you complete cretin.
    You are completely out of you depth Shadow.
    Do I have to explain what a fallacy is to you AGAIN?
    Do I then have to explain what appeal to authority fallacy means AGAIN?
    You have actually now gone full circle back to the begining.
    You have been destroyed Shadow as the appeal to authority is what you used at the start of this conversation in saying the judges score of 7-5 was fair and that the dight was very close.
    Just like the flat earth thread you've gone full circle and are repeating points that have already been destroyed.
    Time to log off Shadow you've been up fighting this for two weeks.
    You've been exposed again as a mental case.
     
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  13. exocet76

    exocet76 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    That's all you can do at this point shadow. One fallacy after another and you still can't answer can you?
    You've been beaten here pal. nowhere to go.
     
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  14. Quina74

    Quina74 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Right... Lmao

    You appeal to the judges or the masses? Which one is it? Because if its the crooked judges then of course its round 1..but if its the masses, the majority scored it for Bivol? Which one is it? Since you do more appealing to thing then actually judging fights properly
     
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  15. Quina74

    Quina74 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You can't claim your winning anyhring when everyone else answers questions and you ignore argument ending questions lmao.
    Here's the same questions for you shadow.

    1.Where in the rules does it say shoulder /bicep punches are scoring blows?
    2. Where in the rules does it say inside glove slaps are scoring blows?
    3. Why have you discredited Bivols shot to Canelo's elbow, when you have claimed arm and shoulder shots are scoring shots? Id argue elbow shots can be more debilitating than arm and shoulder shots.
    4. Why are you scoring grazing, if touching the opponent at all, shots from Canelo?
    5. If you are not crediting the jab that I've evidence that clearly connects with Canelo, why are you crediting shots from Canelo that at best graze?
    6. If you are scoring these grazing shots (if at all connecting) from Canelo, are we not scoring the countless tap shots in round 1 from Bivol that more visibly amd clearly move Canelo's head back ?


    If you cannot answer all these questions, you have ultimately lost the argument. This is an ultimatum because you have continued to ignore them because youre argument isn't sufficient to answer
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