Canelo Bivol rounds 1-4 - "close fight" comprehensively debunked debunked

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  1. ellerbe

    ellerbe Loyal Member Full Member

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    I think the biggest issue for Canelo in this fight was that he was used to people wilting to his arm punches and he committed to it too much. It didn't pay off for him at the end and he was depleted from all the energy he put into his shots. Would be interesting if he reverted back to his old ways like he did against GGG.
     
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  2. kiwi_boxer

    kiwi_boxer nighty night, ellerbe ☠ ☠ ☠ banned Full Member

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    Did they land in a round where steroids landed 8,5 or 4 punches (total)?

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  3. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Agreed, do you think the weight had something to do with it? It didn't seem like he had his normal gas tank in the later rounds. And he uses a lot of energy when he really loads up on power shots. He's a much better conditioned fighter at 168 with better stamina. He needs to pace himself better like he did in GGG 1. Even when he gave away those middle rounds in GGG 1 he conserved his energy to be able to put it on GGG in the Championship rounds.
     
  4. kiwi_boxer

    kiwi_boxer nighty night, ellerbe ☠ ☠ ☠ banned Full Member

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    It's entertaining, to say the least. He's complaining about my profile picture and the use of
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    I thought it was a good picture of him...
     
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  5. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    :facepalm: It's tiring trying to deal with such stupidity.
     
  6. ellerbe

    ellerbe Loyal Member Full Member

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    It's possible, Bivol is definitely the bigger fighter, punching a heavy punching bag is more stamina depleting than punching a light one and Canelo was treating Bivol like a punching bag hitting his arms. I'm not so sure if Canelo's stamina depletion was due to him going up to 175, but more of a gameplan that didn't pay off. Canelo didn't throw arm punches at GGG.
     
  7. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Didn't know you were a fan of Speedy Gonzales. :lol:
     
  8. kiwi_boxer

    kiwi_boxer nighty night, ellerbe ☠ ☠ ☠ banned Full Member

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    Therein lies the reasons why your parents left. It's good to see you're getting a grasp on your life though.
    Bivol is a hero to the boxing community and for helping you climb out of this hole you call life.

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  9. elbonzoseco

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    If anybody on here needs anyones thoughts and prayers, it's him. So I think it's a nice gesture :D
     
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  10. Reppin501

    Reppin501 The People's Champ Full Member

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    Did Bivol “thrash” Canelo in the 12th? Did they have to give him that round?
     
  11. Liquorice

    Liquorice Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Youre loving this mate aren't ya :lol:
     
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  12. exocet76

    exocet76 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Again I did answer you just chose to not accept what I was saying....

    "I could give Canelo 1 of those rounds out of the first 4."

    So as we see I did answer your question specifically.......

    I must admit I gave you Canelo nut hugggers such a thorough beating after the fight I was giddy with joy....

    Those first 4 rounds only 1 could be given to Canelo. the rest were not close on inspection Canelo was outlanded and outmanoeuvred with cleaner work. To say they are open for debate is nonsense when he was clearly being outboxed and failing to land many power punches hitting thin air. high guard or hitting the arm. Bivol was punching Ginger in the face with ease and mostly without reply.
    It's not up for debate. Ginger was completely outclassed by the faster and more skilled fighter.
    Since being roided to the gills he has relied on bullying the opposition but you can't hit what isn't there.
     
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  13. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I'm doing just fine thanks, but I agree Bivol is a hero and I'm happy for him. He fought a great fight and deserves all the praise in the world. Rather than trashing Canelo because he took the L, it's better to give Bivol his props, and give Canelo respect for taking such a tough challenge.
     
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  15. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I know you're giddy lol, you're so giddy you're not thinking clearly and can't seem to have a basic conversation. For the last time, I get that you could only give Canelo 1 out of the first 4. You're not arguing with me here, because I don't have a strong opinion on who won those rounds. All I'm saying is that each of those rounds were close and hard to score, so it shouldn't be a shock to why Canelo won those rounds. The judges obviously saw those rounds as very even with Canelo winning them due to the flashy uppercuts many of them late in the round. You're calling that nonsense, but again I would point out to you that most fans do not see those rounds like you did. Fans clearly disagree over who won those rounds, some gave Canelo round 1, others gave him 2 and 3 some gave him 4, etc. So you're not arguing with me here, I'm just telling you how many people were split on who won those rounds. And it shows bias to not recognize each of those as close hard to score rounds. But it's no surprise given your history with scoring Canelo fights.