Canelo would DEMOLISH BJS

Come on, you can do better than that...Ashira was the worst example not best, and it was still an underwhelming performance. Joe had plenty of crap performances whether he got the W or not.

Using your “logic” BJS just won by TKO against an undefeated fighter a weight division above where he should be...vintage stuff...he was up on the cards...the fight certainly wasn’t as close as Calzaghe vs Salem.

Who thinks we’ll be pouring over BJS resume in years to come analysing the Coceres fight...

Who thinks we should judge a fighter on his worst performances rather than his performances in big fights?

 

You're on a boxing forum, obviously you have seen him fight

It was a rhetorical question

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If you're too thick to figure that out yourself, then I can see why BJS is your idol haha

 

Lol I don't think anyone strong arms Frank Warren

He's OG

 

Was at the Ashira fight in the Cardiff International Arena and Joe broke his hand early in the fight.

Was the only time I saw Don King in the flesh.

 

You serious ?? Check out the Kinahan cartel and tell me if Frank wouldn't agree to everything lol..Saunders already(years ago) put Frank in his place, he was slow paying up( as usual) so BJS walked him down the bank and a hold of his Bentley until monies was coughed up, think it was young Francis, but it happened and they never had a problem since..The Kinahan cartel would petrify Frank and anyone else, you fart in their direction an your in trouble !

 

You keep saying Joe had plenty of crap performances. I don’t think he did. Any boxer, literally anyone you want to name, who won a world title and had more than thirty or so fights will have had at least a handful of crap fights.

Saunders, for a guy people are saying could cause anyone from 160 to 168 major problems, has them all the time. The explanation being that he just adjusts his performance to suit the opponent. I don’t buy that. A guy who repeatedly struggles in fights he should be winning with his eyes closed has problems.

 

Blow job sanders would get mandingoed and anyone who disagrees is a pikey

 

The problem with Saunders and indeed Fury is that they've both had too many of these 'comeback' 'keep busy' 'new platform' fights and as a result they don't perform to their level in many of them. They're no spring chickens at 30 and 31 and at this stage of their careers, such fights present zero challenge mentally. Meanwhile their opponents are in the fight of their life and the difference in motivation closes the gap in levels. One man fighting for his life, the other knowing he just has to turn up to win. The result is often a below par performance by the superior fighter, and a career best performance for the bloke who gets the undeserved opportunity of a lifetime.

However, at this stage, both Fury and Saunders only have themselves to blame. They're the guys who've gone off the rails, they're the guys who've blown up in weight and they're the guys who haven't stayed focused long enough to be given certain opportunities to prove their capabilities.

I'm a huge fan of both but I think we're all sick of these fights now. In fairness to Fury, he's ahead of Saunders accomplishment wise and he's signed to fight Wilder another two times. If he comes through both a winner, despite what the haters will say, his greatness will be unquestionable. For Fury, all I wish is that there are no more Schwartz or Wallin's on his record. He's two or three fights away from undoubted greatness and those fights are out there and can be made. In short, I think Fury will be fine and his legacy fights are beckoning.

For Saunders, it's a little more urgent. He doesn't have a Wladimir Klitschko on the resume and he is avoided despite what people say. However, if he can't get a Canelo or a Golovkin in the ring, he needs much bigger names than Coceres.

I know for a fact Billy is absolute quality and can challenge the likes of Canelo. Although until he puts more solid wins on the resume, there's no point talking about it anymore. It's time to **** or get off the pot!

Over to you Eddie Hearn....

 

Canelo is in a different league to BJS

 

Have you actaully watched these fights or just read the scorecards on boxrec? The David Starie fight is a prime example, it was terrible fight which was very close and competative, despite what the ridiculous scorecards might say.

 

Have you read any of my posts? It’s a simple point: Saunders has loads of close wins against average opponents. Calzaghe doesn’t. The fact he had a few average fights (like anyone) doesn’t make this a good comparison.

Name any boxer and you’ll find these sort of fights. (Hatton v Lazcano and Collazo, Lewis against Mercer and Klitschko for example.) For the vast majority of fights where he was in a theoretical mismatch, Calzaghe won very easily. Saunders makes genuine hard work of those fights on a regular basis.

 

One positive on the night was that 11th round. He threw the kitchen sink at Coceres, knocked him down three times in an exciting round and got a badly needed stoppage.

 

At 160 BJS would have a better chance. At SMW Canelo will take him out. His too fleshy at SMW and without the PED that ain't gonna change.

 

I was just about to type the above.

Great post.

It's so frustrating being a fan of Billy's.

His career is just stop-start now.

He has to keep having these kind of fights because he can't seem to fight consistently. The more inactive he becomes, the more tune ups he needs.

He has absolutely no motivation for these kinds of challenges. It's all psychological. He's just mentally not up for them due to frustration. But you've got to be very ignorant to think that last nights version of Billy would show up against Canelo.

Sure, Canelo has just beaten Kovalev and Billy's just struggled. So if you're not familiar with Billy, you're going to completely write him off. But like you've said, that would be foolish.

There's always been 2 versions of Billy. The one that showed up last night and who also fought Akavov, and the ones who showed up against Lee and Lemieux.

He reminds me of James Toney and Chris Eubank.

He needs to knuckle down now and keep his weight in check and stay sharp by fighting regularly.

If he fought Canelo to his full capabilities, then I believe that he'd have a very good chance of beating him.

 

It's not a nothing statement.

It depends on the character of the guy in question.

I agree with you that those guys you named would do that. But they are more professional and dedicated than Billy is. They fight far more regularly. However, it doesn't make the statement untrue.

James Toney was hit and miss.

Chris Eubank was too.

Fury also falls under that category.

Many people who watched Fury fight those early tune ups thought he was going to get anhilated by Wilder.