Carl Froch vs Canelo

Read my last post. My use of the term "technician" was colloquail (not literal or clinical) in nature. In future I'll approach the use of language more formally when conversing with you. Nevertheless I have neither the time nor the inclination to go in circles on this one.

 

No problem my point stands that Calzaghe was not the most skillful of fighters.

 

Can’t KO Jacobs or a severely drained Callum Smith yet people think he spreads Froch across the canvas.

Come off it lads.

 

even though calzaghe consciously avoided the US when jones and hopkins were in their prime, he clearly was a very skilled fighter.

 

He was deceptively skillful. His strategies and punch techniques were awkward but effective.

 

even though calzaghe was an excellent fighter, his best win against a fighter in their prime was mikkel kessler, so it's a bit rich giving him props over arguably the best fighter in the world today.
history says that calzaghe wouldn't have gone to the US to make the fight anyway.

 

I said he was not the most skillful not that he was devoid of skills. His skills were not what made him special it was more his engine and hand speed.

 

This is a very tough call. Canelo is more skiled but Froch is a bit tougher IMO. And if I remember correctly, Froch is also 10 cm taller.
My gut tells me Froch.

 

He's a great fighter with great judges.

 

Of course, that doesn't take into account that Cazaghe was all set to fight Hopkins in the US, all agreed back in 2003 then Hopkins doubled his money request (from 3 million to 6 million) - priced himself out of the fight. Hopkins then went on to fight William Joppy for WAY less than the 3 million! Who ducked who there?

 

calzaghe wasn't known in the US. high risk, low reward.
if all fighters had to do was call out the fighters who were fighting on the biggest stage to get the fight, then what would be the point of going to the US, building a profile there with casual fans, and garnering the interest of the networks?

 

Agree that it was VERY high risk for Hopkins, but you can't then criticize Calzaghe for never going to the US earlier. He tried, it was all agreed, then Hopkins ducked that smoke.

 

leave frank warren, go to the US,, get career-defining fights.

khan did it.
hatton did it.
collectively they fought prime canelo, floyd and pacman.

calzaghe didn't, and didn't get career-defining fights against prime jones or hopkins.
that isn't a coincidence.

 

You are being obtuse, the fight with Hopkins was AGREED, and just waiting signatures (with witnesses in the room that corroborate), then Hopkins doubled his money request the next day knowing that fight would fall through. Can't see how that can be on Calzaghe / Warren in that occasion.

He didn't get is career-defining fight in 2003 against Hopkins, cause Bernard quacked, then went on to fight Joppy for a 3rd of what he would have got for JC. Clear duck.

FWIW I completely agree that Zaggers should have left Warren much MUCh earlier than he did and that's on him, but in this case it's on Hopkins.