Carl Froch

Discussion in 'British Boxing Forum' started by TH1, Dec 19, 2017.


  1. jyeahfosho

    jyeahfosho mrtechnicalboxer Full Member

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    Isn't that the fella who knocked out George Groves in front of 80,000 people at Wembley?
     
  2. bbjc

    bbjc Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Not sure I agree with the way people downplay the tyszu win. Taking into account it was a very good tyszu that turned up that night imo. People forget how hard tyszu trained...pretty sure it was quoted as up to 8 hours per day even at that point in his career. The stats I.e his age and inactivity does point to it being a shopworn tyszu but I m not sure he was all that shopworn...think its fair to take into account how well he prepared for fights as well. Lacazano underrated mainly because hatton himself underrated him. After mayweather in his mind he seemed to think that's the level he belonged. So seen lacazano as an easy touch...and ended up disappointed with his own performance. The truth was lacazano was always a good fighter. Ricky was lucky he was a natural lightweight. Cause it would have been a very tough fight if he was bigger. Pretty sure he lost close to Castillo. Who in his day was a great fighter. The one that faced hatton was shopworn tho. Hatton in his defence took him apart in good fashion.

    Still say a lot of it comes down to the depth of competition being a good bit higher in hattons division than froch and calzaghes division. Even guys like urango...he was dangerous...he just wasn't,t a big name in that division because there was almost too many good names at the time same with collazo.

    Hatton didn't really have great dimensions so bringing a lightweight up although was an advantage was slightly negated a bit because of it. And going up to welter hampered him too much. Froch/calzaghe had better dimensions to punish lighter weights coming up and mix it with the slightly heavier guys.
     
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  3. Unforgiven

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    Ricky Hatton was rightly regarded as the best fighter in his division for a few years.
    Carl Froch was never the best fighter in his division.
    And Froch's division was certainly not of a higher quality or depth than Hatton's, in the respective time periods in question.

    So, Hatton is clear above Froch. You could argue it's close between the two but it's clear enough for Hatton.

    Hatton may be suffering a backlash here because of his immense popularity at the time. He drew the casuals and was marketed hard on SKY from an early stage. But the cold facts of his achievements still hold firm.
     
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  4. bailey

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    That wasnt prime Kessler that beat Froch. That was a faded version with vision problems coming off a loss.

    I do understand what you are saying.
    I think Froch was a fighter who fought alot better when in a challenger type roll rather than as a defending titlist.

    Froch was impressive when going for his first world title. Then didnt look as impressive as a champ against Taylor, Dirrell and Kessler.
    Then Froch as a challenger again looked impressive against Abraham. Then didnt look as impressive as a champ against Johnson and Ward.
    Then as a challenger Froch looked impressive against Bute.
    His rematch with Kessler was similar in a way as a challenger roll as he was looking to avenge a defeat.
    Froch as a champ didnt look as impressive in his first fight with Groves but in the return to a bout where it was full of controversy he looked better

    I think Frochs best win could be against faded Kessler but his whole body of work is decent and Froch often won on toughness
     
  5. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    I agree Froch did take on some tough fights but I think it was because Froch could be outboxed as to why they were tough fights.
    SMWs like Calzaghe, Eubank and Collins and arguably Benn had better resumes at the weight.
    When Calzaghe was fighting Starie or Collins fighting Carr they were fights of a similar level to Frochs with Groves but I think because Froch struggled in that first fight, I think fans then think of it as a bigger fight and win (im not talking attendance records with that)
     
  6. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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  7. moog

    moog Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    If Hatton had a fighter of Wards quality in his division during those years he wouldn't have been the best in h8s division would be? You don't have to be the best in your division to be the an elite fighter do you?
     
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  8. Grime Rockstar

    Grime Rockstar Member banned Full Member

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    Why did people respond to the obvious troll.

    Froch was a GREAT fighter who I'm very sure will be straight into the hall of fame as soon as he's eligible.

    Great chin, power, jab, skills - (world championship medalist), toughness, heart.

    Always Exciting to watch.Always on the attack. Always faced the best fighters and beat all of them apart from one, he had a brilliant career.

    Bute - excellent win
    Kessler - excellent win
    Pascal - excellent win
    Abraham - excellent win
    Taylor - very good win
    Groves x 2 - very good wins
    Dirrell - very good win
    Johnson - very good win
    Magee - good win
    Reid - good win
    Adamu - good win


    Everytime Ive watched tbe Kessler 1 fight Ive scored it to Froch. Shows what a true warrior Froch is that he never complained much even though he knew he should have been awarded the victory, he accepted it as a loss like a man, the complete opposite of Khans reaction to his deserved loss to Peterson.

    Froch has a brilliant resume, possibly the best ever of a Uk fighter, and almost certainly he fought the best fighters back to back of any Uk fighter.

    I dint know how anyone can troll and not respect this british boxing legend. Obviously they have ulterior motives. Froch and Calzaghe are the 2 best Uk fighters of this era, and Froch is one of the greatest Uk boxers ever, I have him in the top 5, , I wouldn't disagree with anyone having him 1st, absolutely nobody could realistically not have him in their top 10.
     
  9. Grime Rockstar

    Grime Rockstar Member banned Full Member

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    Who the hell was the idiot who wrote 'Hatton was in a stronger division than Froch'' hahahahaha that is hilarious!

    The light welterweight division has always been the weakest division in boxing since I've been watching boxing, and it still is today the weakest. The amount of weak world champions threres been in that division is unreal!

    Gavin Rees, Junior Witter, Amir Khan, Souleymayne M'baye, Kendall Holt, Carlos Cuenca, Juan Urango, Andreas Kotelnik, Devon Alexander, Paulie Malignaggi, Chris Algieri, Lovemore N'dou, Lamont Peterson, Julius Indogno, past it Zab Judah, past it Ricky Burns, even a fat past it old Erik Morales came out of retirement and won a title there!

    Whereas at 168 theres been Calzaghe, Ward, Froch, Kessler, Bute, Dirrell, Abraham, Pascal, Taylor, Groves, etc
    No comparison! Froch was in a far tougher division than Hatton theres no debate to be had!
     
  10. Grime Rockstar

    Grime Rockstar Member banned Full Member

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    Yep and Froch established himself as number 1 after Ward had his first retirement.

    A lot of these people clutching at straws will be Khan pakistani fans. They hate Froch with a passion cause he used to say it like it is on Khan. Froch had a career Khan could only dream of!

    Some of the haters will be Calzaghe superfans too.
     
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