Fair enough, I can see Fury not wanting to declare himself a full blown Kronk fighter out of respect but he did train out Of Kronk with Emanuel and Sugar Hill most recently so by my standards that I already explained Fury makes the cut to represent Kronk in a tournament.
So Jhonny Tocco is in the Nevada BHOF for having a building? It says He is inducted as a professional Trainer.
If fury was asked to represent Kronk gym in a tournament im sure he would out of the respect and knowledge he gained from training there and from Kronk trainers. Johnny Tocco was known to have personally worked with and trained at one time or another , Sonny Liston, Muhammad Ali, Floyd Mayweather Sr., Marvin Hagler, Larry Holmes just to name a few. These fighters do qualify to represent Toccos in a Tournament. So I dont know what your talking about that Fury cant represent Kronk or Johnny Tocco never trained anyone.
1. Catskill: Floyd Patterson - Heavy Kronk: Evander Holyfield - Heavy: Floyd/Catskill 2. Catskill: Buster Mathis Jr - Heavy Kronk: Tyson Fury - Heavy: Fury/Kronk 3. Catskill: Mike Tyson -Heavy Kronk: Lennox Lewis -Heavy: Lennox/Kronk 4. Catskill: Jose Torres - Light heavy Kronk: Michael Moorer - Light Heavy" Torres/Catskill 5. Catskill: Eugene Cyclone Hart - Middle Kronk: Gerald McClellan - Middle: McClellan/Kronk Kronk 3-2
Kronk also had Mark Breland for awhile, Frank Tate for awhile, Jimmy Paul, Ricky Womack, Hilmer Kenty, Milton Mccroy, Stevie mccroy, Dennis Andries, Oba Carr, Jermal Hinton, Dujan Johnson,etc
I see you point about Holyfield , Lennox and Fury not being homegrown. I already got some flack for that. I'm actually thinking about doing a redo so there is no more grievances
I'm like you, when I think of real trainers and gyms I think of the guys like George Washington in Bed-Stuy who trained Bowe, Breland, and many more through the amateurs, and Adrian Davis in DC who had a hand in training most of the DC area fighters, and Mack Lewis in Baltimore who trained Rahman, Middleton, Pettway, etc. I'm sure most cities have somebody like that, those are just 3 that come to mind. There are a lot of trainers who are more famous than those guys, but the fighters and people in boxing know and respect the guys like Washington, Davis, and Lewis. Those are the guys who teach the fighters fundamentals, and correct them when they are learning. They are not famous, just respected. All of the trainers mentioned are gone now, but I'm sure there are people who learned from them who have taken their place. I watched and listened to a private video recently of a 50s-60s fighter who trained at times at the 5th St. gym in Miami. He chuckled about Angelo Dundee and said, "all he could do for a fighter is towel off the sweat between rounds." Nobody says that about the guys like Washington, Davis, and Lewis.
Regardless of what we can say about Cus’a short comings as a trainer in the style he taught and the limited champions he created. He still created I believe three distinct fighters with his own study. Cus taught Patterson, Tyson and Torres how to hold there hands, I think however Tyson was a collaborative effort? So maybe only two, anyways. Not many guys can say they created two lineal champions from the ground up- though Torres boxed in the army…