Charles Or Jeffries??

Nat Fleischer would have picked Daniel Mendoza over both! LMAO!!!!

 

Thats amazing! Can I ask some questions? Where do I even begin?

Did you watch Rocky fight? How do you think he’d to today?

Do you remember your first time seeing Ali fight? What was your reaction?

Do you think boxers have gotten better over time?

 

Head to head, Jeffries.

Pound for pound, Charles.

More accomplished at heavyweight, Jeffries.

 

LOL too young to remember Rocky, although as my family is from Calabria I heard a lot about him. My maternal grandfather
thought Primo Carnera was literally a god. and LaMotta was from the Bronx and that's where I grew up so he was a legend in our
house as well.

My first remembrance of an Ali fight was the second Liston bout. My father and I listened to the fight on a transistor radio (google
"transistor radio").

And yes, boxers have gotten better over time. Better training methods, more knowledge about healthy eating, and steroid use has made them stronger. I'm amazed that I'd get an argument about this. Babe Ruth ate hot dogs and blondes as his training regime. Mickey Mantle NEVER lifted a weight in his life. No doubt boxers in the old days had grueling training before fights...Pollacks books attest to how hard they trained...but their eating habits were atrocious.

 

"Mickey Mantle NEVER lifted a weight in his life"

I don't really disagree with the thrust of what you say here, but it is a pretty objective fact that Mantle could hit a baseball a long ways. He hit the ball over the roof three times at Tiger Stadium as a visitor, and hit a ball over the roof at Comiskey Park. He hit the facade above the third deck at Yankee Stadium at least twice. Look at a photo of old Yankee Stadium and note how far and high that is. Same in the other parks.

Where did he get his strength? He worked as a slag ape in coal mines as a youngster. The slag ape is a guy who broke up rocks swinging a maul. I can see how that could help your strength for hitting a baseball. It is also possible that the best way of developing power in hitting a baseball, or a golf ball, is by hitting a lot of baseballs, or golf balls.

That said, size is clearly more important in boxing than in baseball or golf. But if the size factor is removed, say a modern 147 pounder versus Sugar Ray Robinson at 147, would the modern guy have a big advantage? I am not certain of that.

 

He sounds like a pretty cool guy.

 

My point about Mickey is that he had incredible natural talent but wasted it on booze and women. Today, he'd be in training in the offseason; in his time his offseason consisted of drinking and screwing around. And I'm old enough to have seen him hit homers in person so I'm not slagging him off but just speaking the truth.

It's not fair to compare SRR to any welter today, as he's the GOAT. I'd compare today's top WW more favorably to 1940's WW in terms of being in better shape physically.

 

My Nonno once threw a shovel at me for fooling around in his tomato patch. He also took a hatchet to a family piano because the kids were making noise. I wouldn't say he was pretty cool; pretty dangerous more like it.

 

Damn. Well, that's what you expect from fans of the Preem, I guess.

 

Without question Charles takes it, although it was a different sport in Jeffries time.

 

The criteria is who do you rank higher.

A lot of the people picking Charles, don't rate his era very highly.

To logically put a shuffling of the pack champion, above a dominant champion, you would probably have to rate the formers era fairly highly!