Charr Vs Haye

Why? Because I think Helenius is a good heavyweight when 100% fit? I DONT say he is great! But he is NOT awful! Right now he is just a puncher without his punching hand! Just compare his last fights with the fight early in his career!
Because I think Charr could have a competitive fight with Haye? I dont say he wins! Because for me Haye is just the better fighter here and he will win by late stoppage (maybe like old and over his prime Ruiz Round 9). But it wont be the easy walk in the park like many think here.
So is this really hilarious? If yes can you explain me why? I really dont see antyhing stuipid in these opinions. And if you disagree it does not mean that my opinion is hilarious.

 

This post alone makes me laugh, as does your blind defence of Helenius and the Klits.
I cant be bothered explaining further-see my ref to you being blind as to why

 

Look you dont see what kind of fighter Helenius is. Dont compare him with Haye, Calzaghe or Prince NAssematschJust total different fighting style.
He is a ****ING puncher without his punching hand! He is not a technical boxer are a boxer with much speed who is able to fight impressiv without his ****ing punching hand!
If you cant understand that a pure puncher can look bad without his punching hand I think you are wrong in boxing. Some boxer have the speed or technical abilities to adjust if they get an injury in a fight! Helenius is just NOT that kind of boxer! He is nothing more than a big guy with a good chin and a lot of power in his right hand.
Against Chisora he had not only a broken hand he also had this shoulder injury.
I think you guys think that I say he is a great boxer or something like this... NO he is not! But when healthy he is a good heavyweight just because he is big, has a good chin and a lot of power in his right hand.

 

Sorry but 11 KO's in 19 fights at HW and you say he's a puncher?

And lets not forget the majority of those fights are against B-Level opposition, he has almost the same KO ratio as Chisora who in HW terms can't punch the skin off a rice pudding.

I'm not refuting he may have had some hand issues but do you not think that his publicising of those injuries might be him seeking to excuse poor performances? Most boxers keep their injuries to themselves as it weakens them in the face of opponents, it amazes me how ready you are to make excuses for him based on a Twitter photo.

And Charr is absolute waste, it took him 7 rounds to dispatch a totally shot Danny Williams, even Harrison got rid of prime Williams in 3 rounds, he is NOT world level or certainly hasn't got the record to claim that he is. Maybe he is durable but even that remains to be seen.

 

Listen thats the problem... he fights without his right PUNCHING hand! When this hand is broken or has another injury a boxer cant get power from it! You just cant! You can punch with it but it wont carry any power in it. He has this problems with his hand in many many fights. Just take the last fight! How many times did Helenius throw his right hand with any purpose? Most of the time he was just fighting with his left!
A puncher without his punching hand is ****! This is nothing which is hard to understand.
He is not a beast puncher like Wladimir or Haye. But his right hand is clearly his best weapon. Take it away and he is average.
Helenius is just not made for boxing! His shoulder and right hand cant resist the hard boxing game. I think he might retire if he cant fix his glass hand.

 

So you're telling me that his average KO ratio is because he has a bad hand, whilst also telling me that he's a puncher, not a beast puncher, but a puncher! Can you clear this up for me and explain to me which fights he had a good hand in? Were they per chance the ones in which he did manage to KO the journeymen or the ones were he didn't?

Either someone is a puncher or they're not, regardless of his "injuries" if his hand isn't strong enough to be thrown without breaking I personally can't put him in to that bracket, not at HW where even a well placed but not full force punch can take someone out, certainly not with a 50% KO ratio against that list of opponents.

It's not hard to understand that someone with a bad hand can't punch but it IS hard to understand why someone would make so many excuses for them or why they would describe them as a puncher when they're anything but as their hand is made of glass!

 

RIGHT! If his right hand would be healthy in each fight he would have much more KOes! He has strong power in his right hand! MAybe not so strong like Wladimir or HAye but it is still impressiv!!!! I just can say it again and again! His best weapon is his right hand! Take it away and he is not impressiv at all
You could see for example against Brewester and Peter that he has a lot of power in his right hand. Also he had many fights against guys who are just very very hard to be stopped! For example Ziausys! I think he was only stopped once in 51 (!!!) defeates. Or Tank Williams.

His right glass hand was there from the begin of his career! Everybody who knows Helenius as a boxer knows this. I dont know in wich fight he hand problems with it and in wich not! I know that he had BIG problems against Chisora and Sprott. And I know that when he is healthy that he is better than average.

 

No response about Charr then eh? You're not going to enlighten Shaunster?

 

Helenius has a big slow right hand, that's it. He looks very poor when his opponents can see that slow straight right coming, which unfortunately for Helenius means pretty much every decent HW. There is literally nothing else in his arsenal which he can fall back on, he is a one trick pony.

Like a lot of hyped fighters he looks great against cans but then steps up and looks poor, he found his level against Chisora who comfortably beat him. He is a Euro level fighter who can't be arsed to get in decent shape.

I honestly don't know why people seem to like him so much.

 

You wont get any sensible response to this from berliner, you have to laugh, anything else is wasted energy. People have said this, repeatedly, to some, its like knocking on wood

 

Did I say he has everything else than his right hand? LOL that what I say all the time this is his best weapon. Take it away because an injury and he is average!
Please dont give any credit to Chisora! Helenius fought with a broken RIGHT hand and as serious shoulder injury! How can you give Chisora credit because he won against this Helenius? He broke his right hand in round two! And as you said this right hand is his best weapon. So of course Chisora was able to win.

You have to understand that he fought Chisora without his best weapon! Please dont say Helenius was on 100% in this fightatsch bad enough that he could not get Helenius out of the ring.

 

Chisora beat him fair and square, do not take credit away from someone who gets a victory in the ring. Chisora is the better fighter, Helenius couldn't keep him off because he lacks skill in every department not because he had an injury. Plenty of boxers fight with an injury. Derrick beats him again in a rematch.

Someone as limited and uninspiring as Helenius having a fan as vocal and devoted as you, bizarre!

 

So you say these two injuries had nothing to do with it? And yet again this stuipid arguement... yeah many boxers can adjust some cant.
I would like to see a rematch between a healthy Helenius and Chisora! Not that shadow of Helenius! WHo had to take a year off because of these injuries! To say injuries have nothing to do about a performance of a boxer is just dumb and absurd! Do you really say this shoulder injury AND this broken right hand did not favour Chisora? Do you say that these injuries had no bad influence in the fight for Helenius?
I tell you what this is bizzar! How should he keep of Chisora when his power is gone? He is not a moving boxer with much speed he really needs his right hand!
I just dont like when people hate on a boxer who has obviously serious injury problems! I cant stand it! They say he is awful and ****! Yet they dont know anything about the boxer and his fighting style, like you saying his right STRAIGHT nut:tired), as if Helenius throws only a right straight hand. When he mostly throws a hook. is his best weapon. And then they say other boxers can adjust and can fight with a broken hand! Well there are boxers who can adjust theire game and there are who cant. Does not mean a boxer is **** just because he has this trouble with injuries.
I am done here. You can think he is average and **** although he already proved that he is more than this in many fights! (Brewster, Peter dont tell me these guys were cans, although over theire prime they were not cans especially not Peter)