Great examples, Flo. Marquez is top draw in terms of recuperative abilities. He had no right whatsoever to get up after the third KD against Pacquiao, let alone fight his way back with seemingly no ill effects. And he did it time and time again in his career after that. One of his more remarkable qualities.
Fury is really the poster boy for someone who can be knocked down but recovers incredibly well. Tyson is a bit on the other side of the spectrum, can take big punches without being hurt but doesn't recover when he is finally chopped down. SRL had a good chin but not a true iron chin, but he was hard to finish off. Maybe something similar could be said of SRR, just that he was even harder to finish off. Bowe could also be hurt, but difficult to finish off. Same true of Holy, of course.
Duran Chin= Great (except for Hearns) Recuperative Powers= Great (except for Hearns) Heart= Great (except in Leonard 2) Thomas Hearns Chin= Average Recuperative Powers= Poor Heart= Great Muhammad Ali Chin= Great Recuperative Powers= Great Heart= Great Larry Holmes Chin= Good Recuperative Powers= Great Heart= Great
No, I brought known facts to the table. Your point hasn’t been proven. Did you miss the vid of Hatton himself saying Kostya didn’t quit? Hardly being overly defensive of Tszyu. As to calling in other fights - different and less affording refs-, also ignoring timelines and relative ages involved. It seems the claim itself - that Tszyu quit - is bambi in itself - in so far as the reaction to factual counter and trying to protect it from same
Oh gee, you actually did just respond - to say absolutely nothing but that my reply was nonsense. What I've written makes complete sense and is backed by the facts. I see you can't break down nor support your claims with relevant facts. You're just sufficiently emotionally driven to make hollow, knee jerk comments. By all means, stay on whatever you think the topic is - rather than what you've offered "off topic" so far - then I don't have to waste my time on anymore fluff comments.
My word, my point is proved you’ve now went off on two almighty rants because I’ve hinted at criticising Tszyu. What fact have you brought to the table that his corner stopped it and Hatton agreed they did? When did I dispute that? My point is Tszyu was happy with that, his whole demeanour at the end was happy with that. I have the utmost respect for Kosta Tszyu as a fighter and a man, but I can think of many fighters who wouldn’t have accepted the stoppage as easily as that in fact they would have had to be dragged out of there.
My word, you haven't proven any points. Falsely and ridiculously describing my due replies as going off on "two almighty rants" doesn't cut it and clearly has not been the case. You're simply baulking at fact-based replies to your unsupported claims, trying to imply that they are some sort of oversensitive reactions. Lol, no. I deal in FACTS. It's not even "off topic", you only deemed it to be so after you threw in your own 2 cents worth. Hatton further qualified that Tszyu wouldn't quit UNLESS his corner called it - another noteworthy omission on your part. I could guess that you weren't even privy to the Hatton IV. Did Frazier want to quit in Manila? Of course not. Did he have to be dragged out of there? A second, of course not. Same goes for Holmes vs Ali. At any rate, you don't even know if you're coming or going on the subject. You're just wasting time with half-baked assertions.
Felix Trinidad: Chin = Poor (early in fight) / Average or Good (rest of fight) Recuperative powers = Great Heart = Great The Hopkins fight wasn’t a reflection of a lack of recuperative powers, it was more like death by 1,000 tiny cuts.
I'll say one thing - it might be seen as a curse for those possessed of an iron chin who are also less than adept in terms of defense OR the owners of iron chins whose advancing age has made them more hittable. They stand to endure far more punishment and have their hearts tested far beyond the limits experienced by the average bear fighter - average bears who are mercifully put out of their misery much earlier. Jess Willard is a perfect case in point. Ultimately, he had to save himself - the ref Ollie Pecord and Jess's own corner weren't about to. And while Jess ultimately quit on his stool - there aren't many fighters who have been taken to the same threshold of pain and suffering. Dempsey's fierce attack likely would've put his own good self "out" well before the time it might've seen Jess on the deck, absolutely unable to rise again.
Frazier was beat up, Ali was a shell totally different scenarios, Tszyu walked over to Hatton smiling. What facts have you proved other than saying his corner stopped it? The fact you’ve responded like you have when all I said was I think Tszyu received a pass has simply confirmed my opinion. You need to calm down.
Ah Cec, you're still talking a false game. I'm perfectly calm. The fact that I merely responded (duly and with facts in support), period, has you clearly ruffled and needing to project your own lack of calm on to me. Do you even remember what you said? - "Tszyu seemed happy to quit." So now, what you're saying is: all I have proven is that Tszyu didn't quit, his corner stopped it? Golly gee, all I've proven is that your original statement was absolutely false. Silly me. And obviously it's not all I've proven since, the analogies I provided hold perfectly. Respond "like" I did? Responding at all to your claim(s) and refuting them via simple facts has been the real problem. Yours, not mine. You haven't proven any points, but I have completely proven mine. I will peacefully, without malice, leave you to sort out your own perturbed disposition....