Chisora Greater than Wilder?

Where's the evidence for Wilder being avoided? Seems he could get big fights if he wanted going by the Zhang and Parker matchups

 

By a significant amount.

 

Why not just call these threads “let’s bash wilder more”??

 

I'll take that challenge and i'll number it so i can keep track these names are not in order BTW.

1. Muhammad Al
2. Joe Louis
3. Larry Holmes
4. Lennox Lewis
5. Rocky Marciano
6. Oleksandr Usyk
7. Joseph Parker
8. Zhilei Zhang
9. Ken Norton
10. Mike Tyson
11. Jersey Joe Walcott
12. Ezzard Charles
13. Jack Dempsey
14. Jack Johnson
15. Tim Witherspoon
16. Pinklon Thomas
17. Greg Page
18. Tony Tucker
19. Riddick Bowe
20. Vitali Klitschko
21. Wladimir Klitschko
22. Chris Byrd
23. Michael Dokes
24. Gerry Cooney
25. Evander Holyfield
26. George Foreman
27. Ron Lyle
28. Jimmy Young
29. Sonny Liston
30. Jimmy Ellis
31. Jerry Quarry
32. Floyd Patterson
33. Razor Ruddock
34. Zora Folley
35. Cleveland Williams
36. David Haye
37. Tyson Fury
38. Joe Frazier
39. Harry Wills
40. Mike Weaver
41. Frank Bruno
42. Gerrie Coetzee
43. David Tua
44. Ike Ibeabuchi
45. Buster Douglas
46. Ray Mercer
47. Michael Moorer
48. Alexander Povetkin
49. Anthony Joshua
50. Max Schmeling
51. Sam Langford
52. Gene Tunney
53. Jim Jeffries
54. Max Baer
55. Archie Moore
56. Ernie Terrell
57. Michael Spinks
58. Hasim Rahman
59. Lamon Brewster
60. Trevor Berbick
61. Tony Tubbs
62. Oliver McCall
63. Eddie Machen
64. Doug Jones
65. Oscar Bonavena

Well i stopped at 65.....do i think Wilder would lose all these fights ? no. But could i see him losing a majority of these fights if Wilder fought peak versions of these fighters ? yes.

 

When you think about it, it's quite a ridiculous thought that "either you can name 99 better than him, or he's top 100", isn't it?

Even just statistically... If he was probably lower top 10 level throughout a weak era, which on resume is defensible (Usyk, Fury, Joshua, Parker, Povetkin, Whyte, Zhang, Joyce, Chisora - all have better win columns - and most of whom would've been likely to beat him, Joyce stylistically might've been made for him but I'd pick the rest to do it... And that's discarding Dubois as being from the next era) then that means there's likely to be >10 better in the stronger eras, maybe a lot more.

He could've proved more, but we'll never know that because he didn't step up until far too late - he didn't take enough good fights to improve as much as he potentially could've and he didn't take enough good fights to put together a proper legit contenders resume.

Dangerous with one punch, yes absolutely... But also incredibly limited in other ways.

 

By 19 fights Chisora had already fought Fury, Helenious, Haye and V Klit.

It took Wilder 32 fights to step up to the likes of Jason gavern

 

It was Wilder ducking the competition all over the place. From Klitschko, to AJ, to Whyte.

 

Great effort man. For me personally it gets really difficult to rank the fighters before Joe Louis. There are problems like the colour line and the massive lack of footage and I am sure certain types of data in large numbers are missing also.

 

Chisora has never been anything but average. He’s basically British level.

 

Thanks for the effort. Respect
So 65 guys who are bettter or around wilder. So is wilder a top 65 in your opinion?
Or outside the top 100? Or where?

 

With so many contenders from Britain at the moment, that might not be the insult you think it is.


Then again...

It does make you think, doesn't it?

If Chisora is basically British level, not in the top 3 Brit fighters for most of his career... And yet has a better resume than the best America had to offer at the time?

Well, that might mean that - shall we call it "American level"? - at the time was really quite poor.

And that doesn't fit well with the desperate need that some (not all!) American people have for their country to be the best, have the best and produce the best - 100% of the time.

Maybe, just maybe, some Americans are desperate to find footholds to defend Wilder purely because they have nothing else and his hiding through his prime allows space for what I would consider unfounded theories about how great he was before finally being beaten?

Food for thought, perhaps...

 

You said he’s possibly out of the top 100, so I’m wondering who these 100 guys are or have I missed a century of boxing history/fighters?

I understand you have a immeasurable hatred for the man, so just trying to see if it’s your hatred talking or actual sense.

 

The fact that we are debating these guys as top heavyweights just backs up what I have been saying for a long time, that this era is terrible
A young tyson would run over these guys

 

Interesting statement, it took 5 years for Chisora to have 19fights and wilder to have 32.

Different management team and strategy for different calibre if fighter.

wilder was managed as a prospect, Chisora was managed as a British level contender. Hence him losing those fights as he’s not that calibre of fighter.

May as well bring up people like Peter Buckley, he fought pretty much every featherweight with a big name and lost, so is he better than Barrera?

Sorry sometimes I think people on this board understand the boxing business, but usually they just want to bash someone.

and Wlad lost the belts to fury when wilder won his, that’s not wilders fault.

Been through this several times on here but I guess your eyes only see what you want them to see. Blind hatred