Chris John 50-0 & 20 title defense, in 2 more fights!

Eltirado might just be applying for a publicity position with John's team.

 

elRETARDO

 

paper title defenses mean nothing.
it proves how worthless a title is these days when 8 people hold one in the same division. its a joke if he gets in. you know they do look at your list of opponents right? other than JMM, who the hell has he beat? no one. :deal

 

Rocky Juarez - wasn't quite stick-a-fork-in-him done yet in 2009. That was his last quality year. As of the draw he was coming off a knockout of Barrios and putting up a game effort in his loss to ****-hot peaking Marquez, at least in the first half. (where even Al Bernstein gave him a round or two) and showing lots of courage the rest of the way as Marquez got into an offensive rhythm. We'll leave aside the controversial draw, however, since you asked "who the hell did he beat" and focus instead on the rematch - which despite a late scare John took clearly. In fact, the loss was so dispiriting that Juarez began his long crappy streak his very next time out the following year. In John I & II, though, he was still the same old Rocky, for better or worse. Solid B grade victory there.

Daud Yordan - very underrated, his only blemish coming in a lopsided styles mismatch with Caballero. John managed to out-slug his countryman without the use of his legs. For boxers, that usually signals the end (see: Cory Spinks getting knocked out by vastly inferior talents he would've easily licked in his prime once his legs were gone). John managed to adapt, becoming proficient at infighting and showing his toughness under the percussion of Yordan's heavy hands. Another B, maybe even B+.

Gainer - fine, he was coming off a loss...but to Marquez @ his prime weight. So let's cut him a bit of slack there, eh? Entering that loss he was a reigning world titlist. You can also try and discredit this by pointing out Gainer's troubles making weight on top of being past his prime - but he was still world class and it was a respectable performance mirroring Pacquiao vs. Marquez I the year prior (with John getting off the canvas in the 1st and proceeding to not lose another round). B, or B- if you want to make a fuss about the weight.

Piriyapinyo - may have brought in a ridiculously padded zero, but he can't have been terrible running undefeated for nearly a decade with his level of competition. Was it anybody great - or even very good? No. They weren't tomato cans, however. It was all middling regional contenders & journeymen - but to stay flawless at that level for so long you have to be at least decent. Rufino, Miyagi, Talape - nothing career-defining or anything but not bums either. He competed in literally dozens of regional title bouts, so it was hardly as though he built up to 44-0 with two score of rickshaw drivers. John dominated - again, like with Yordan, during his "no more legs" period. B-.

Rojas - you keep bashing him, but when he first met John he was coming off a knockout of undefeated Caballero and had beaten Genaro Garcia (the last person to kayo Rafa Marquez before Izzy Vazquez - and it wasn't a green Rafa, either, but a five year veteran). The draw wasn't a conclusive result and shouldn't count against John - more of a No Contest. In the rematch John simply outfought the powerful southpaw in a FOTY candidate. B.

Enoki - drew with future world champ Aoh immediately before this, was undefeated, and very dangerous. John - in a bit of foreshadowing even though he still had full use of his legs - came forward and traded blows with the puncher in another thrilled and came out ahead once more. B+.

So that's half a dozen in the B range, plus Marquez who is obviously a straight A if not A+ (whether you nitpick the deductions and scoring or not, it was close enough you can't term it a robbery and this is coming from a MASSIVE Dinamita fan-boy...) - even with the rest being "paper defenses" that is still a resume worth consideration toward immortalizing at Canastota.

 

Think you're going beyond the call of duty to call most of those fighters B level. If they were B level, they were well in the low side of B and probably closer to C.

I'll admit I'm not an expert and have'nt followed the featherweight divsion as closely as you have since the mini-fab four left it.
There's been some names there like Gamboa, Salido, Juan Ma, etc......the better fighters in that division that John has not faced

. Beside Juarez who was well on the downside when he gave John a hard time first fight and even almost had John out the rematch as well......
......Since John has'nt faced name opponents, do you recognize fighters on John's resume who fought near elite fighters and that John did better against than that particular "elite?"
For example, Rocky Juarez, a common opponent with Marquez.
With this particular opponent, Marquez was able to handle him much more comfortable than what John did.

Seriously I'd label Rocky Juarez mabye a low B, right above C. Certainly not a solid B at the time he fought John.

John's resume just is'nt HOF, though I recognize it does'nt take facing top competition nowdays to make the HOF.

 

agreed. 20 defenses and this is the best of the best? ummmm no

 

:good

 

Huh...this whole time I thought you were joking calling him Christian, but that is actually part of his real full name.

In fact, it's his middle name. His first is Yohannes (the Hellenized and later Romanized form of the Hebrew for the name that in modern English evolved into John).

So really he's John John. :rofl

 

Johnny "The Dragon" John, sounds like a video game character. :yep :boxer

 

you obviously trolled me.
congrats! :good