Chuvalo's Chin - Can A Case Be Made...

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  1. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member

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    He was hurt multiple times aginst Pedroza ,but Eusebio was aiming at a different target than his chin!
     
  2. Senya13

    Senya13 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He was staggered. What Hearns followed up wasn't big punches, he only landed one big punch the whole round. People are acting as if Hagler ate one big right hand after another the whole round.
     
  3. Manassa

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    Stagger my arse. Tyson near the end of the tenth round against Holyfield, that's staggering.

    And I didn't say they were big punches, but they were punches nonetheless, in quick succession. After that even, Hearns was landing solid shots.

    But we have many examples of Hagler's durability to fall upon, not just this fight.
     
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    Senya making an ass of himself yet again. What a fool.

    As far as Hagler/Hart, maybe I need to rewatch it, but I don't recall Hagler ever being staggered or in any kind of trouble throughout the fight, and I thought he handled Hart very well and completely outboxed him. He'd get hung up on the ropes in certain parts and take some huge shots, but he never seemed very effected once he made his way out. Just back to the usual.

    Chuvalo had a great chin, but he did show certain vulnerabilities in that sense of ultimate toughness against Frazier, something I don't think a guy like LaMotta would've done. I generally think LaMotta had the best chin (and was the flat out toughest SOB) of all time. Question for Russell, I remember you making a remark after someone said the same, basically questioning, in an almost condescending tone, how someone could consider LaMotta's chin the best? How couldn't you is my question?
     
  5. Senya13

    Senya13 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Solid shots with injured right hand? That's something new. Hearns' left wasn't as big as his right.

    There may be more examples, but whenever someone starts talking about Hagler's chin, they always use 1st round with Hearns as main argument.
     
  6. Manassa

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    He could still throw big right hooks, the way they landed weren't hurting his fist.
     
  7. mcvey

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    Hagler's chin is on a par with Lamotta's imo,both first rate.
     
  8. Manassa

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    Normally people talk about the fourth round Mugabi uppercut that snapped back Hagler's head (to no visible nervous effect however), but there's a mid-exchange left hook in round six that looked much worse. Really jolts Hagler, seems to do absolutely nothing to him though, infact he didn't even stop punching and a couple of seconds later he has Mugabi reeling backwards into the ropes.
     
  9. rydersonthestorm

    rydersonthestorm Boxing Addict Full Member

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    why is nobody giving wayne the respect he deserves he has been in with naz and morales both massive puncher for their relative size.
     
  10. Mendoza

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    I agree with all of this, except for the Canadian fodder part. A trial horse is fodder regardless of his country of origination.
     
  11. Mendoza

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    Although few talk about it, LaMotta once quit in a fight too. Jake had a great chin for sure.

    Hagler was never staggered by Hearns.
     
  12. burywh|te

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    Chuvalo's chin is the best in heavyweight history. 97 fights, never knocked down, and was in the top ten of heavyweight boxing for 17 years! Fought Ali twice, Quarry, Jones, Frazier, Bonavena, Foreman, Williams, Durelle... He took on the best in the era when boxing was best. Haven't seen anyone's chin really come close to his... Remember its not just a 'chin' but your stability, how you work your legs, your neck muscles, your jaw, and how you stay balanced as you fight. Chuvalo deserves more credit. He was an awesome fighter..
     
  13. My2Sense

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    I don't agree with that definition, and your comparison is a shaky one IMO.

    There's a number of factors that can lead a fighter to be stopped. A solid chin alone won't prevent it. Chuvalo had no defense and no foot movement to get away from punishment. He was just a sitting duck for big punchers like Frazier and Foreman to tee off on.

    Also, as you yourself pointed out, Frazier hurt Chuvalo with a punch that landed on his cheek, not his chin. The way I look at it, Chuvalo was hit with a punch hard enough to break his cheek and eye socket, but didn't go down.

    You're also comparing to world class HOF heavyweights ranked among the best ever, just about reaching their primes, to a guy (Shavers) who was basically washed up and was never considered in Foreman/Frazier's class to begin with anyway. Unlike Cobb, Chuvalo was getting hit with powerpunches from fighters with talent, world class skill, and precision accuracy. On top of that, Chuvalo was slightly past his prime when he fought Foreman, and that fact that his chin was still as good as it was at that time given all the punishment he took through his career is still a credit to him.

    On top of that, you're only looking at two select fights from Chuvalo and one from Cobb. What about the fact that Cobb has been down in other fights and has been KO'd as well (and not by HOFers)?

    IMO, Chuvalo definitely has a better chin than Cobb.
     
  14. My2Sense

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    I would put LaMotta's chin on par with his. IMO, he and LaMotta are neck-and-neck for the title of "best chin ever". But there's a fair amount of distance between them and everyone else's chin.
     
  15. My2Sense

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    LaMotta actually quit in two fights, Murphy and Nardico - three if you count his loss to Billy Fox.

    The way I would describe Hagler against Hearns was "stunned briefly". He never lost his balance, and looked to have recovered even as Hearns followed up with a solid flurry of punches.