This content is protected This content is protected Benn was not putting Eubank under pressure during their rematch. He was trying to outbox Eubank in the middle of the ring. It was Eubank's sloppy footwork that caused him to fall You clearly have not watched that fight Collins was primarily a counter puncher, which tells me how many fights of Collins you have actually watched. During his first fight with Eubank he took the center of the ring drew leads from Eubank and counter-punched. Eubank never looked good against counter-punchers. In fact his record should be 0-3 against them which tells you how well he would of done against Toney Calzaghe was not a counter puncher That's just plain stupid. That picture is what Toney looked like after he had put on 17 lbs of water weight. This is what he looked like before he rehydrated using a IV drip This content is protected point 1: You haven't watched any of Collins fight, which is why you didn't know he was a counter puncher point 2: That's one of my previous posts which you have just reworded How can you when you haven't even watched any of Collins fights? atsch Eubank moved up just fine. You do know he had around 4 fights at that weight, right? Griffin at the end of the day was a counter-puncher, better than Collins and Schommer. No, it wasn't. Jmm should of won by a 8-4 type decision You haven't watched that fight. You have just gone onto boxrec and seen the official decision. The fact that you are unable to show any evidence that you have watched that fight tells me all I need to know. My scorecard Round Toney Thadzi 1 10 9 2 10 9 3 10 9 4 10 10 5 10 9 6 9 10 7 10 10 8 10 9 9 9 10 10 10 9 11 9 10 12 9 10 Total 116-114 Toney Who cares what other people think? Either you have your own opinion on the fight or you do not. All fighters who fight a lot turn in lacklustre performances from time to time. At the end of the day he got outworked, not out-boxed. Tiberi was offered an immediate rematch and he chose to retire instead. Mayweather lost the first Castillo fight Eubank got out-boxed by Schommer, not outworked which is very different from what happened to Toney. This tells us that Schommer had better skills than Eubank. It should be pointed out that Eubank never fought let alone beat a top fighter with an unconventional style. Hence the fact he missed the following: Nunn, R.Johnson, Jones, Toney, McCallum, Kalamby, Graham and Liles. Before you claimed that Toney was not as his best at smw. I responded to your post and now you are trying to distance yourself from it? The fact is that at smw Toney was: -Ranked no 1 by the Ring, above Eubank -Made the p4p top ten, which meant he was widely considered to be elite -Regularly turned in dominant performances None of the above ever applied to Eubank at smw The fact that a lot of C+ fighters had the style to give Eubank fits tells you a lot about him. He should of lost the following fights: Benn II, Sherry, Thornton and Schommer. Watson was clearly the better fighter during their rematch NO Collins stayed in the middle of the ring and counter-punched. He scored with jabs and right hand leads. Stepped out of range to avoid Eubank's lunging attacks, then stepped into range and landed right hand counters What fight were you watching?:huh You obviously have not watched Toney-McCallum I Collins - Eubank I Offense: Collins: Jabbed and scored with right hand crosses Toney: Used the same offense against McCallum I Defense: Collins: Stepped out of range to avoid Eubank telegraphed right hand leads then stepped into range and countered. Toney: Shouldered rolled then came back with right hand counters If you want to know how Toney-Eubank plays out all you have to do is watch Collins-Eubank I. This content is protected Toney wide UD:good
This is your previous post You claim that Toney can't hurt Eubank and now you try to turn it mid argument to Toney not being able to stop Eubank.
Great response:good I said that you have not watched that fight. It's obvious by your lack of knowledge of the fight. So you go and watch a highlight of the fight. Proving my point all along. I never said he did. I said their hand-speed was about the same What does that mean? Then surely you can now tell me the counters Griffin was landing and what punches of Jones Griffin was countering? Of course I do. So let me get this right. I asked you what punches of Jones Griffin was countering and your response is to: - Post up a vid of Jones-Griffin I, with a vague description -Post up an excerpt from Griffin saying he was counter punching?:blood Let me get this right. Calzaghe throws a bunch of amateurish slaps which Hopkins evades. Before Calzaghe can initiate another attack Hopkins leads with a headbutt then follows through with a right hook. That's what you consider to be counter-punching?
Classic. There should be a little extra where an upset Eubank addresses Toney's comments about his mother.
I was referring more so to their first encounter - Where Benn hurt Eubank with body shots in rounds 5-7 and actually staggered Eubank at one point. The second didn't have nearly the same pace or ferociousness Are you ok? I think you've repeated yourself now 150000 times with this same tired comment. I take it you've never seen Collins-Eubank 2 :deal Never said he was, but he developed his counter punching and became good at it Jones rehydrated as well, and he didn't have excess fat around his stomach. All fighters do, Julio Chavez Jr rehydrates 20+ pounds and he doesn't come into the ring with a stomach like Toney's. Peak Toney was of course at MW, but he was more comfortable at LHW than at SMW where he could make the divisional limit more easily No, it's you that hasn't seen Collins fight. Go watch Collins-Mccallum, go watch Collins-Eubank 2. Pathetic. Stop debating like a child Once again, childish comment starting at MW and ending up at LHW isn't the same as starting at LHW. Ask anyone You have two 10-10 rounds? Ahh, the boxrec defence, original. A nice cop out because you have nothing else to say. Go on then, run me through rounds 11 and 12, how did Thadzi close the distance against Toney? Finally, what did Freddie Roach say to Toney between rounds after round 10 and 11? If you've seen it, you'll know. You refuse to accept Toney lost because you are a fanboy Many fights are subjective, opinions are important in close fights. Toney should not have gone life and death with a guy like Drake Thadzi, only you seem to argue that it wasn't a close fight, I wonder why :think Excuses. Tiberi retired because he was disgusted at the robbery. But a rematch wouldn't take away what happened in the first fight. Scorecard? You have an agenda against Eubank. Toney was at his best at MW All true, but still, styles make fights and you never know what can happen. I personally can see Eubank taking a close decision. I saw posts from silencer and bailey which highlighted the 'top opposition' Toney turned in dominant performances against after winning the title from Barkley, which puts it all into perspective.
Better than yours :good Posting up a highlight = haven't seen the fight Once again, great response :good You posted up a highlight video of James Toney earlier, so by your logic = you've never seen James Toney fight You're tripping up all over yourself - You said counter punchers have to be faster - now you concede that Holyfield was able to counter Tyson even though he was no quicker good You said general zod on ***** street :happy think about it really really hard atsch Go watch round 8, when Jones scored the KD in round 7, he went in for the kill in round 8, in particularly Griffin was able to evade and counter Jones lead right hands and lunging left hooks. I felt Griffin won round 8 after almost getting stopped in round 7. Though I feel Jones had truly got to him in round 9 Griffin hit Jones and staggered him with a left hand, what round did that happen in and what did Jones do after getting caught? Better than describing it myself, I provide a video. You were left with egg on your face, and now you're debating like a child. Also you have Griffin describing how he fought, where he talks about how he counter punched. But nope, the video of the fight, and one of the combatants describing it still isnt' right. If it doesn't suit zod's agenda, it has to be wrong :good:good You clearly don't know what counter punching is do you
Ha ha Toney fanboys are worse than Jones jr`s. How anybody can think Toney was levels above Eubank is just absurd
Yup mate, zoddy obviously hasnt watched the benn- eubank fights benn pushed eubank in the 1st fight and had him hurt, 2nd fight was completly different. Toney certainly would`nt have put the pressure Benn did in his 1st fight with eubank, i actually think eubank would have frustrated Toney with his style
Completely agree mate :good Zod picks which fights suit his agenda, I mention Benn pressuring Eubank and he talks about Benn-Eubank 2, and completely forgets Benn-Eubank one where Benn came out of the blocks like a mini Mike Tyson and they exchanged power punches He also neglects Collins-Eubank 2 where Collins put the pressure on and set a pace that Eubank was uncomfortable with Toney would be the favourite against Eubank, and could well win, I don't argue with that, but Eubank is in there with a chance. He had an awkward style that would frustrate Toney, especially with Eubank being so adept on the backfoot, and Toney struggling with fighters who gave him movement like Jones and Nunn zod has an agenda which is why he's taken it so personally, hence he makes comments like this Whilst he completely denies that Toney lost to lesser fighters in Tiberi and Thadzi You don't think Eubank could frustrate Toney?
Give over Eubank sly movement would have had toney pissed off, Toney is not a better version there are differences between them that Toney fanboys conveniently ignore. eubanks movementwas better than Toneys. Toneys style would not have bothered eubank. The way to beat Eubank was pressure and more pressure thats not toney at all. The blue print was set by Watson
Sometimes i do wonder about Zoddy , he`s probably a Toney fanboy cannibal who sends monthly requests to toney to cut his dick off and send it to him so he can have it on a spit roast for lunch....
Thought I would post it again Truly classic atsch There was Eubank and Benn preparing for one of the most relevant SMW fights in history and a big unification fight, whilst Toney is preparing for the legendary Pranther atsch. Whilst Eubank and Benn fought some of the best SMWs that were around, look at the level Toney was fighting at when SMW champ 1993 he wins the title from iran barkley a fighter who years earlier was blown away by nigel benn in 1 round and pummelled to a loss by a shot roberto duran barkley went onto lose 11 out of 25 fights following this fight and never beat anyone who was remotely good in doing so,the guy was so desperate he was even plying his trade as a HW in the late 90's against the likes of berbick and they say this era is a joke govonor chambers a guy with a career record of 9 wins 7 losses, all 3 fights prior to toney were ko losses! ricky thomas: won 11 lost 14,the 4 fights he had prior to toney all losses! glenn thomas:won 29 lost 8, lost to roy jones prior to toney and finished his career with a first round ko loss to jeff lacy. danny garcia: won 30 lost 22, was coming off losses to chris pyatt (a steve collins victim) lamar parks etc larry prather: won 19 lost 24,lost his last 5 fights prior to the toney fight even losing to nicky piper tony thornton: won 37 lost 7,lost to chris eubank a year earlier. anthony hembrick: won 31 lost 8,lost to maske prior to toney and orlin norris a year earlier. tim littles: won 27 lost 3,maybe one of his better wins,had fought mainly bums with the exception of a close UD over frankie liles,went onto lose to frankie liles in a 2nd contest following the toney fight. vinsom durham: won 21 lost 37 enough said. charles williams: won 37 lost 7 drew 3,lost to maske prior to toney. This content is protected and finally the Jones fight and, That was Jones big SMW victory where Toney was alledgedly weight weakend, other than that Jones didnt do much at SMW. Eubank and Benn though had some good genuine SMW victories Benn beat Wharton, McClellan, Nardiello, Galvano and drew with Eubank Eubank beat Watson, Rocchigiani, Wharton, Holmes and drew with Benn. Eubank and Benn were fighting at a much higher level at SMW. Toney hid from those guys Enjoy :hi: